Are aircraft out of balance?

Re: Are aircraft out of balance?

1. Make all fighter aircraft the *same* i.e. make it pilot skill+luck not plane type that will determine the winner in a dog fight. The J-10 is too powerful vs the F-18C/D or the F-35B given equal pilots. (Face it the REAL Chinese J-10 has yet to take off.)

another thats believing all the j10 hype the f18 is just as good as the j10..........

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lol, I think you just summed up the "nerf jets" argument... or if it is more palatable, the "Buff AA" argument.

In any case, the opinions are piling up faster than a J10's frags.

In Karkand it is enough to have 2 superb APC drivers to win the round, in sqóhrqui its enought to have a good pilot and a good gunner for the chopper, there is nothing special about jets...
So theris nothing wrong with jets vs ground units nor f-35 - J-10 since I there are a plenty of maps other than pla vs USMC and a lot a of noobs who can takek the advantage of the J10....

Re: Are aircraft out of balance?

OK,

In general the aircraft are balanced. But here are some suggestions.

1. Make all fighter aircraft the *same* i.e. make it pilot skill+luck not plane type that will determine the winner in a dog fight. The J-10 is too powerful vs the F-18C/D or the F-35B given equal pilots. (Face it the REAL Chinese J-10 has yet to take off.)

2. Also make all the Fighter-Bombers the *same*. (The F-15E in the game is a slug compared to the Su-34, Su-30 AND the F-15E in the real world.)

3. Add an unlock for the AT kit for a shoulder carried stinger. The fixed gun positions on the maps are too easy for the pilots to kill. A single stinger cannot bring down an undamaged jet, but multiple hits can. (same as tanks and APC's)

4. Make flares an expendable item, not a time-delay item. I.e. you can pop off multiple rounds of flares but then have to go and re-arm just like missles and bombs.

5. The mobile AA is fine the way it is.

Korg sends

Re: Are aircraft out of balance?

2 good jetpilots is enough to win the round, why bother ?!

lol, I think you just summed up the "nerf jets" argument... or if it is more palatable, the "Buff AA" argument.

In any case, the opinions are piling up faster than a J10's frags.

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Voted "somewhat agree" - my issue isn't so much w/the balance, but I get tired of watching our planes bomb ground targets to hell and back while their planes do the same to us.... How about some dogfighting?

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Consultant01! Tell me what shows the poll becouse I cant figure it out....

tell me what shows post your first.

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voted for "Somewhat Agree"
If the pilot who is flying the plane is trained an infantry-soldier got no real chance to destroy it.

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Or possibly perhaps...

3: because there are 34 team members and only 2 planes so they get very little chance to practice in combat.

2 good jetpilots is enough to win the round, why bother ?!

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ppl play Karkand cus there are no planes to own them since they are most likly CANT FLY THEM.... yes a lot of BF2 players cant fly planes neither helicopters!!
1. becouse they suck and dont want to practise
2. becouse they dont have a joystick so they suck

Or possibly perhaps...

3: because there are 34 team members and only 2 planes so they get very little chance to practice in combat.

Re: Are aircraft out of balance?

the essex, stingers and mobile AA can easily kill a jet. ground troops have plenty of chance to kill. although i hate the way you cant get away from missiles most of the time its probably as fair and as good as its going to get.
there will always be some ****ing idiots that cry like babies and want the planes to die instantly, but tbh who gives a **** about babies like that?

if i had my way i would:

do something about the f18 dodging all missiles.. which even the j10 cant do
S2A not being able to turn as much
f35.. well its slow, but its a carrier jet so should be slow...
A2A yet again, not being able to turn so much, bombers and f35's can be pretty easy meat
flares need to work
missile tone shouldnt be on for a lock, but for when a missile has been fired.

also why do AA missiles last forever? ive been chased from one end of the map to the other by them, they should have been scaled down with the rest of the other crap, like tv missiles halflife.
selective realism tbh :/

Re: Are aircraft out of balance?

I dont think that is a very valid statement seeing as the most popular maps are "City maps" like Karkand which doesnt even have helos let alone jets...

How many Karkand servers (no aircraft at all) do you see compared to any map with jets.

The same, of course, can be said about Wake Island, but hey... The Jet Jockeys and Snipers need somewhere to hang out without Mobile AA taking them out. hehe.

People still play the game because its a good game overall, and to claim that this fact means that everything is in balance as it should be is a little idealistic if you ask me.

anyway... keep the votes coming!

ppl play Karkand cus there are no planes to own them since they are most likly CANT FLY THEM.... yes a lot of BF2 players cant fly planes neither helicopters!!
1. becouse they suck and dont want to practise
2. becouse they dont have a joystick so they suck

Re: Are aircraft out of balance?

Aircraft are balanced, but they're still annoying as hell.

In an IGLA/stinger, you can take out or damage a plane if you get the opportunity, but if the pilot uses the bombing HUD to take you out ahead of time, you're completely helpless. Getting in an AA site is playing the role of sacrificial lamb against good pilots. But planes aren't invincible anymore, so they are balanced.

They can shoot an AA site with guns, before you get a chance to lock on. They are not balanced.

Re: Are aircraft out of balance?

Aircraft are balanced, but they're still annoying as hell.

In an IGLA/stinger, you can take out or damage a plane if you get the opportunity, but if the pilot uses the bombing HUD to take you out ahead of time, you're completely helpless. Getting in an AA site is playing the role of sacrificial lamb against good pilots. But planes aren't invincible anymore, so they are balanced.

Re: Are aircraft out of balance?

unbiased poll... no more of these hater-polls. This is purely to gather community opinion on a sliding scale.

Consultant01! Tell me what shows the poll becouse I cant figure it out....

Re: Are aircraft out of balance?

I voted somewhat disagree. I don't fly but I'd say they are balanced, and yes pilots kill me quite often. The problem is that they are at the top of the food chain (as they should be) with no effective counter. One hit from AA should remove 95% of their health so they must limp away home to repair (granted that only takes 7 seconds max before they're back to kill you). I do plenty of AA and I'll get 2 hits only to see the plane zoom off and come back to kill me with its guns before I get reloaded. Planes are damn fragile but not in BF2.

All this game really needs, and I'll say it again in this thread too, is for the Engi or AT kits to have mobile AA. Once an AA site can be set up anywhere on a map the pilots have to be more careful. Right now they memorize where the AA is and avoid it or kill it first. A ground trooper with a single shoulder mounted Stinger that actually works would be great. I play AT kit most of the time. Give me 5 AT on maps with no jets. Jet maps give me 3 AT and 2 Stingers and I'd be a happy man.