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  • vets.Sarge

    #1

    How to survive in an f-35b

    Hi. I'm Sarge. I spend lots of time in a jet, and I'm sick of seeing a new f-35b spawning on Wake Island every minute. So, here's a quick guide on How not to die!



    What's the best way not to get shot down in a jet? Don't get someone on your tail. ALWAYS fly high. NEVER fly in a straight/predictable line. ALWAYS fly in bomb mode unless if you actually want to kill something. check your rear view every few seconds quickly.

    What's high? It depends on the map, but generally you can find me at 500 feet up. If you're in an f-35b and thus have a huge disadvantage over the enemies j-10, Just stay up, then fly down with an angle steep enough to let you see enemy jets, but not so you go straight back down again. Just gently fly down across the map, keeping an eye out for enemy jets. Make sure you don't go down too low!

    So, you've seen the enemies flying noobtube? Time to fly straight down missles blazing right?!

    WRONG

    Stay in bomb mode, and stalk it untill they're in friendly territory. Preferably out of ammo and/or damaged. Don't spend too long sneaking behind them or they're bound to notice you in their rear view when someone on an AA site down below locks onto them. Get in right behind your opponent. Not too close. Stay further away if you have the luxury of übermissles, a bit closer by for guns. If you're in an F-35b, you'll be needing the second option.

    Now comes the exciting moment - actually shooting things! YAY! STILL IN BOMB MODE, launch a volley of bullets right into your enemies backside. Do this right, and they won't even have time to say 'oh noes!' before Cheung Yu-Kit will be pushing up the daisies.

    If you failed to gun them down, it's time for missles! Switch over to missle mode and let em drop their flares, Now switch back again. do NOT immediatley go back to missles once the flares are out of sight! Your opponent will be forced to constantly check his rear to see if you're still there or not. Don't bother firing missles if your opponent is pulling as many G's he can. Launch a missle inbetween turns, or whenever else they're flying straight. Do this one or two at a time, then switch back to guns and try again.

    Taking down a superior jet is NOT easy! When I'm in a j-10, I don't stick to any of the rules mentioned above. Whereas in an f-35 you'll need everything you can get to take down an enemy that has superior maneauvreablity and a high chance of dodging missles.


    Suppresion is by far the best way to keep your enemy out of the air. Constantly bomb and gun the living crap out of an enemy base to ensure that your fellow US troops can actually get onto wake island rather than being wtfbbqpwnzored constantly!

    Follow these steps:

    1) Make sure there aren't actually any enemy jets in the air already!
    2) Take out any AA sites!
    3) now proceed to destroy anything that spawns! Don't wait for enemies to actually GET IN the vehicles, just blow em up with guns straight away! Save your bombs, They're a usefull last-resort should things go wrong *cough*noob*cough*

    If you're truly leet, get some teammates to provide support - Snipers to get rid of AA turrets, Someone to eryx a jet should things go wrong. Best of all, do it with two jets! You'll have to reload/repair eventually, wich will give the opposition plenty of time to move out again, whereas with two jets one can get new bombs while the other blows stuff up. Cunning, eh?

    Of course, teamwork doesn't exist on pubs, so we'll just leave it at that.


    Should things go really wrong (eg. A strange and annoying beeping noise coming from your jet followed by engine failure) Your main goal is to get out of their missle lock. Confirm that there actually is someone on your tail who can kill you and is not just passing by. if there is, Roll to the left/right, launch your flares (due to the rolling the will be launched upwards meaning they cover you longer) keep rolling untill you're upside down and turn as sharply as you can. Fly low to the ground. Now do the "S" move: Hit the afterburners, do half a looping, turn around, do another half a looping, then fly straight down again. You'll gain lots of speed and hopefully your persuer will lose control of his jet due to going too high (Hence: afterburners) if he doesn't, use the speed you gain from flying down to get the hell out of there.

    Of course, you can also just lure enemy jets into chasing you - straight into the lock of the uss Essex. (manned by a teammate who is paying attention rather than watching the funny little icons on the commander screen)

    If you do have missles on your tail with no hope of escape, just die, unless if you enjoy swimming or are particularly close to your carrier


    At the time of writing this I am extremly tired (and somewhat annoyed. hence: Thread) so forgive me if things don't make sense. If you'd like to know anything else, do ask.

    And remember: Landing is 1337!
  • exho

    #2
    Re: How to survive in an f-35b

    This is extremly useful, I already do most of those things when I am flying a JSF, but I like the move that you said near the end, I will have to try that next time.
    Thanks

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    • ConscriptVirus
      Member
      • Oct 2007
      • 6369

      #3
      Re: How to survive in an f-35b

      flying high is the best tip, since theres so much more empty large space, it makes it harder for ppl to follo as they can be anywhere..up down left right

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      • imported_Mrt1989

        #4
        Re: How to survive in an f-35b

        Thank you for this, it will help me much :)

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        • Hu.Z_of_PLA

          #5
          Re: How to survive in an f-35b

          only if the guy in J10 is stupid.

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          • Zer0ed-In

            #6
            Re: How to survive in an f-35b

            Well occasionally there are J-10 pilots that aren't so bright. :)

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            • munky99999

              #7
              Re: How to survive in an f-35b

              ya this is assuming the j10 pilot's pretty crap.

              You propose using the chain gun to take him out. Well he'd have to be pretty damn damaged before that'd ever work. Cause soon as he sees the first bullet he'd know whats happening and punch it in a turn. a turn that you cant follow.

              and flying high definately doesnt give you any edge. when im flying im constantly going from 400-0(stupid ground always in the way) and i do alot of turns that the f-35b just cant follow.

              So your just not going to cut it.


              Wanna know how a f-35 can own the skies. without capturing the airfield. Get close behind the j-10 and launch all the missles fast as possible and dont even care about the flares. i find 2-3 out of 6 will always make it through flares. then go back reload real quick and rape the hell out of the airfield. and keep them from getting another plane in the air. if your good at you can rank up a very nice score and there's nothing they can really do.

              The way to beat the j-10 is the deny it battle. Keep it from ever flying. and if you remove the j10s from the chinese. usa has got a very good chance at taking out china with no trouble.

              and ive tested this. I started round as usa. jumped in f-35 and took out the j10 that was about to take off. went after the other j10 which took no time then kept taking down the j10 at the airfield. just using chain gun alone. i kept getting a kill every 5-10 seconds. I ended up with a score of like 120with 65-70 kills.stupid teammates getting in the way. id just come back and kill the j10 and boost constantly to the carrier and id reload and the chain gun was enough for a good amount of kills. they'd never have any chance at getting a plane in the air. and frankly. AA is a joke. they either die right away or get 1 missle off which never does enough damage.


              and here is another tip. if the j10 has locked on and you dont have flares. just bail. your guarenteed dead anyway. there is no chance for a f-35 to dodge and survive.

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              • vets.Sarge

                #8
                Re: How to survive in an f-35b

                Originally posted by munky99999
                ya this is assuming the j10 pilot's pretty crap.

                You propose using the chain gun to take him out. Well he'd have to be pretty damn damaged before that'd ever work. Cause soon as he sees the first bullet he'd know whats happening and punch it in a turn. a turn that you cant follow.
                Have you ever flown a jet pre-1.2? Remember how we were all shooting down J-10s back then? Guess how we did it.

                With guns.

                Yes, that's right, before 1.2 guns were the main weapon in dogfighting and the j-10 was no exception to this.

                Oh, and I have no trouble whatsoever keeping pace with the majority of J10 pilots.

                Originally posted by munky99999
                and flying high definately doesnt give you any edge. when im flying im constantly going from 400-0(stupid ground always in the way) and i do alot of turns that the f-35b just cant follow.

                So your just not going to cut it.
                Oh really? So you're proposing that you just fly around at a normal height, leaving it to chance whether or not someone gets on your tail and letting every AA site in the vicinity lock on to you?

                The difference in maneauvreablity between the j10 and F-35b is not (and was not) significant enough to stop someone who knows how to dogfight from shooting down an enemy jet.


                Originally posted by munky99999
                Wanna know how a f-35 can own the skies. without capturing the airfield. Get close behind the j-10 and launch all the missles fast as possible and dont even care about the flares. i find 2-3 out of 6 will always make it through flares. then go back reload real quick and rape the hell out of the airfield. and keep them from getting another plane in the air. if your good at you can rank up a very nice score and there's nothing they can really do.
                You launch missles when they have the most chance of hitting, wich is AFTER your enemy has dropped his flares and is not doing a full turn. Firing missles in an other situation is a waste - plain and simple.

                Originally posted by munky99999
                The way to beat the j-10 is the deny it battle. Keep it from ever flying. and if you remove the j10s from the chinese. usa has got a very good chance at taking out china with no trouble.

                and ive tested this. I started round as usa. jumped in f-35 and took out the j10 that was about to take off. went after the other j10 which took no time then kept taking down the j10 at the airfield. just using chain gun alone. i kept getting a kill every 5-10 seconds. I ended up with a score of like 120with 65-70 kills.stupid teammates getting in the way. id just come back and kill the j10 and boost constantly to the carrier and id reload and the chain gun was enough for a good amount of kills. they'd never have any chance at getting a plane in the air. and frankly. AA is a joke. they either die right away or get 1 missle off which never does enough damage.

                and here is another tip. if the j10 has locked on and you dont have flares. just bail. your guarenteed dead anyway. there is no chance for a f-35 to dodge and survive.
                Didn't I say this myself already?

                I suggest you learn how to fly before saying that an f35 has no chance of keeping up with a j10.

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                • Sir. Blackhawk 5

                  #9
                  Re: How to survive in an f-35b

                  Also sometimes i see pilots trying to take over flags in a F35 or just hovering in the air baseraping and more. THis is a stupid thing to do. Jets are not made for this stuff, if you want to do this. use a helicopter. Its easy for the enemy to shoot you down with anti tank rockets, vehicles, etc. I myself seen other players get killed by doing this, and tried it myself. it didnt work out.

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                  • ChanSolo

                    #10
                    Re: How to survive in an f-35b

                    Originally posted by Blackhawk5
                    Also sometimes i see pilots trying to take over flags in a F35 or just hovering in the air baseraping and more. THis is a stupid thing to do. Jets are not made for this stuff, if you want to do this. use a helicopter. Its easy for the enemy to shoot you down with anti tank rockets, vehicles, etc. I myself seen other players get killed by doing this, and tried it myself. it didnt work out.
                    I love to hover,I have notched up 8 kills in about 3 seconds on wake island,and I have taken more flags then you might imagine by simply pulling up and hovering over them and gunning randomly to keep the enemy hiding and scared,of course all it takes is one rocket and you are dead but thats half the fun,also it is not impossible to dodge an eryx if you see it coming.

                    @vets.Sarge

                    Thanks dude,never thought to flip upside down before dropping flares,makes perfect sense now it's been pointed out tho :)

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                    • PIMP

                      #11
                      Re: How to survive in an f-35b

                      Here's another piece of advice: If locked by an AA site is not to pull up, but to release your flares and dive down low either behind obstacles in the landscape or just above the water on wake. AA missles usually fly upward. They have a hard time dropping down again.

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                      • GatorShawn

                        #12
                        Re: How to survive in an f-35b

                        Originally posted by PIMP
                        Here's another piece of advice: If locked by an AA site is not to pull up, but to release your flares and dive down low either behind obstacles in the landscape or just above the water on wake. AA missles usually fly upward. They have a hard time dropping down again.
                        Absolutely. I drop the to the deck immediately when locked up by enemy AA. I drop to the deck and turn 90 degrees.

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                        • vets.Sarge

                          #13
                          Re: How to survive in an f-35b

                          Originally posted by PIMP
                          Here's another piece of advice: If locked by an AA site is not to pull up, but to release your flares and dive down low either behind obstacles in the landscape or just above the water on wake. AA missles usually fly upward. They have a hard time dropping down again.
                          It all depends.. As i usually fly high I don't need to fly very far to get out of range again.. Just keep moving in the general direction you were going (unless if you are flying straight at an AA site, in wich case either gun it if you've practiced the long range shots or just turn around in the direction that will get you out of there the fastest.) If you're going down, keep doing so because as you said, it gives the missles a hard time keeping pace.

                          Originally posted by ChanSolo
                          @vets.Sarge

                          Thanks dude,never thought to flip upside down before dropping flares,makes perfect sense now it's been pointed out tho :)
                          Just to make sure here: You launch the flares while you are rolling. Not after! The most important thing is to just use the time they give you to get the hell out of there, and the more time the better.

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                          • colony

                            #14
                            Re: How to survive in an f-35b

                            Originally posted by vets.Sarge
                            Have you ever flown a jet pre-1.2? Remember how we were all shooting down J-10s back then? Guess how we did it.

                            With guns.

                            Yes, that's right, before 1.2 guns were the main weapon in dogfighting and the j-10 was no exception to this.

                            Oh, and I have no trouble whatsoever keeping pace with the majority of J10 pilots.



                            Oh really? So you're proposing that you just fly around at a normal height, leaving it to chance whether or not someone gets on your tail and letting every AA site in the vicinity lock on to you?

                            The difference in maneauvreablity between the j10 and F-35b is not (and was not) significant enough to stop someone who knows how to dogfight from shooting down an enemy jet.




                            You launch missles when they have the most chance of hitting, wich is AFTER your enemy has dropped his flares and is not doing a full turn. Firing missles in an other situation is a waste - plain and simple.



                            Didn't I say this myself already?

                            I suggest you learn how to fly before saying that an f35 has no chance of keeping up with a j10.
                            Sorry but he is right, any decent pilot who isnt mentally retarded can dodge every missile the F35 fires at it, and unless he is braindead, would be impossible to shoot down with guns.

                            Dont bash him when he knows what he's saying.

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                            • vets.Sarge

                              #15
                              Re: How to survive in an f-35b

                              Originally posted by colony
                              Sorry but he is right, any decent pilot who isnt mentally retarded can dodge every missile the F35 fires at it, and unless he is braindead, would be impossible to shoot down with guns.

                              Dont bash him when he knows what he's saying.
                              Yes, it is hard to hit a j10 with missles, but as I said you need to learn how to time your missles, it's the best way to hit them, like in 1.2. And learning how to use the guns is essential. I have shot down many pilots who were far from braindead with guns :) We were doing it before 1.2 (and notice how no one was complaining then) and we still have to do it now.

                              Oh, and just to speak my mind here: I doubt that he knows what he's talking about: 20 hours in a jet, most of that post-1.2.

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