[UTAC] and their fantastic admining.

[Revoluti0n]

So, a couple friends and I were playing on their 24/7 [UTAC] Euroforces server. Everything was fine. We all read their server rules before connecting and we are fine with them. Upon starting the round some idiot named OSUPIC tk's my friend on purpose and he gets punished for it. 2 seconds later he gets kicked for it. We are like WTF? They have this rule that says "If you punish a clan member for a tk you get kicked for it, they do not EVER intentionally team kill"...that is a ballsy statement. Everyone teamkills accidentally at one point or another. The thing is that this OSUPIC did not even apologize for it, nor was he wearing their snazzy [UTAC] tag. These characters banned 5 people and kicked 12 more in 1 round of 1 map, all within like 3-4 minutes, incredible.
I read up in their forums and it seems that they have a lot of people that are quite unhappy with their services. I can see why. Reported for being abusive admins!

[N2K]

Re: [UTAC] and their fantastic admining.

Some admin dropped his lollypop

[TGL|Badlizzard]

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please post your complaint with their forums. I hate clans that are too lazy to admin their server that they leave the punish on. If they would admin their server properly, they wouldn't have to make a stupid rule about punishing them.

[OSUPIC]

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I TKed your friend, It was unintentional. He was in the middle of a large group of enemy infantry and armor, which I bombed. I did not know he was there, until after the bombs were dropped. You would think that the fact I picked up four-five kills at the same time he was staring down a Tunguska, would have clued him in on the fact that I did not intend to kill him. I promptly apologized, but he punished before I could even type "sry".

The rule you refer to is as follows:
3. Do NOT punish for accidental team kills. [UTAC] members do not team kill on purpose.
This is meant to protect all players from unjustified punishes, not just members. All [UTAC] members are instructed to forgive all but intentional TK's.

Looking at the server log three people were kicked during that round:
- one for spawn camping
- one auto kicked for language
- one you friend |KOF|Raggety for abuse of the punish system

I would like to invite anyone to check out our website, forum, and server.

http://www.clanutac.com

[apocrypha]

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. bleh. accidently hit post.

[LoKi.]

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Nothing is more annoying than getting kicked off your own server via accidental tk's building up over multiple rounds.

If retards didnt play with thier page down botton stuck down and thier page up button removed things like this wouldnt happen.

Punish was designed by dice so only the retards that TK for vehicles and the griefers that TK for fun could be dealt with.

Its not really EA's fault that this function doesnt work, more the fault of the smacktard noobies that punish for every tk weather accidental or not.

[Flares]

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Despite its US location, the [UTAC] Euro Force server is my my late night/early morning favourite. It's often full, they encourage teamwork, integrate well with non clan members, use VOIP and usually will stop what they're doing to kick and/or ban a player breaking their strict rules. I've been kicked twice, which I deserved, and banned once, which was a mistake and I received an apology. They seem like a fair bunch and playing on their server is usually a pleasant experience.

[Lith1um]

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I also spend a fair amount of time on the UTAC server.

I have to fully agree with Flare's assessment. They seem to be fair, even tempered, and they try to promote teamwork. I am willing to bet your situation could have been resolved by posting in their forum, particularly if it truly was a missunderstanding.

on a side note,

Greetings to you Flares. Nice when I see old JO people in here. /Salute!

[yUP|Patriots]

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Loki, Flares and Lithium put it very well. I just want to add that I play there quite often. The admins put alot of time addressing all players complaints. There is no possible way for them to 100% police the server.

[signa]

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I dont see how 1 punish is "abuse of the punish system".

[Joe1141]

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Interesting discussion; I think I'll go give their web site a peek and maybe try their server.

[IntensivCareBear]

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i totally agree that UTAC is definitely an undesirable server because of their policies and admining.

i played their euro forces one a couple times and now avoid it at all costs. you get kicked for saying words like "medic" or basically anything with an e, also they have enough stupid rules to scuttle a cruiser (no fighting while commanding! just hide and be knifed occasionally!). also the fact that they only play 2 5 minute rounds per loading screen doesnt help.

the PBF 24/7 smokescreen seems much better admined. the admin there just tells commanders not to fly while commanding and kicks teamkillers and the like.

and ironically enough, there was a [UTAC] guy learning to fly (or so he said heh) in the 24/7 operation smokescreen i was playing. guess he has a problem with his server too, as it was up and running at the time.

[Revoluti0n]

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Actually, if you look at your precious logs for the previous map you guys went on a spree. What about the baseraping on Taraba, and dropping arty on the UCP? Real sticklers you are for enforcing your own rules, but you dont hesitate to break them do you?
But it does not matter, you are the "special" one the one that needs no clan tag for identification. I really dislike smug admins that post stuff in their forums that say, "Since we all pay for our server and allow you all to play there for free", and "We do not teamkill on purpose", insinuating that you are all that good...I mean, how obvious is that? We also run a ranked server, but we aren't that full of ourselves.
Rules are a good thing, but there comes a point where you have to ask yourself why the only think posted in your clan forums is complaints? Anyway, Im done with this, it was a warning to the gamers that visit this forum to use caution on your server. I used to visit your server a lot, but not anymore.
I mean, I team kill people accidently from time to time but I sure as hell don't kick them from my server when they punish me. If the team kill punish really bothers you so much, why not just switch it to auto punish instead of having everyone come back with the same old thing?
You registered on these forums just to reply to my lil old thread? Wow!

[raggety]

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Ok, I'm the one that was kicked and yeah, I'm sure I'll take some flaming for this but I'll go ahead and post it anyway.

Here is the things that I disagree with about the situation:
1) The person that I punished did not have a UTAC tag on and therefore could not be identified with the clan but when I punished him, I got kicked.
2) You actually kick people the first time that they punish someone?!?! No warning, nothing?!?! I have admin on our server and I don't kick people if they punish someone else whether they're clan members or not. Seems rather prejudicial if you ask me and childish too.
3) There are all these rules but you seem to enforce them at personal discretion. In other words, if it suits you or if you don't like the person. Take the previous example that Revolution gave about base rapeing or spawn camping. There are specific rules when you join your server that say NOT to spawn camp but you guys did exactly that to us.
4) You may have said sorry but it was after I got kicked because I never saw it or heard it. Seems you were rather quick to kick but slow to say you're sorry. On top of that, if you couldn't see me on your mini-map, then you're either just blind or stupid. Which is it?
5) I'm not the only one with a beef here. Rev has pointed out other people that have posted comments about your "style of admin". Since it looks like I'm not the only one, you might want to consider reviewing your policy of allowing 13 year olds to have admin.

Look, I don't normally make a big stink about things like this. I'm usually pretty easy going and try to play fair but I find this borderline abusive and childish. Try having a little more patience and a little less concern for your score or ranking.

[imported_[UTAC] Incognito]

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I try to let people speak there mind but this is rediculus. First we are an 18+ clan so there is no 13 years old with admin rights. Our average age is actualy over 30. We have jobs and we do not live with mumy. Also nice to see that 2 of the complaining guys got banned!

If any of you are true admin/owner (we can talk on the server admin/owner only side of the forum if you would like) you should know that keeping a server clean and fair is not an exact science.

YES we do make mistakes, sorry but we are human too. The vast majority of people though, seam to enjoy our server as they come back regularly. If you are looking for a server where you can spawn camp all day, tk for planes, have 1 idiot locking himself in a squad, have a commander flying, blah blah blah, well, don't come to our server.

Of course some people need to get out of there way to retaliate after a kick.

Why do you not see much other than complains on our public forum, Let's see,..., it is call prunning we do not have to show off that we got got the most post or the likes. We just like to keep it clean and simple. Messages in the public area are generaly deleted after 2 weeks.

"Revoluti0n" we are not full of ourselves. WE DO PAY FOR THE SERVER and therefore get to set the rules and if anyone doesn't like it noone is asking them to stay!!! as for the "We do not teamkill on purpose". it just means what it says. even if someone is breaking the rules all our members are ask to NEVER EVER tk. BTW why do people think about punishing in the first place!!!! NO punishing is not any cooler thn wearing a mulet!!! (sorry going off sides)

Going back to auto punish will be taken under consideration. I personaly am for it but got to convince my buddy on that one. Expect a change soon.

Also why do you not have any weblink or tags on if you also have a server. I guess it is easier to creat messes while being anonimous.

"raggety" Thanks for calling us liars, We do follow our rules, do not even dare to go there. If you felt that the kicking was inapropriate why did you not contact us? I mean comon, We can deal with this sort of situations like adults. But your friend went on badmouthing us in radom forums instead, just cause it's easier! wao

If I cared about my score or rank I can tell you I would NEVER admin as I get kill an average of 2-3 a round just cause I am admining.

I'll leave by pointing that sarcasm and cynicism are not a good solution. I mean why do you guys always try to put everbody else down? This seams to have been one silly little mishap that could have been resolved so easily, instead it got out of proportion. Sad.

[UTAC] Gen.Incognito

PS: you notice that I did not make my account just to answer you btw.