OK ... Why AMD Not P4?

[imported_shadow_vision]

Re: OK ... Why AMD Not P4?

gotcha ^^ tonite is one hell of a learning experience l9l

[Noobownage11]

Re: OK ... Why AMD Not P4?

I can get 1 Gig Max RAM on my budget ... anything more will force me to upgrade my motherboard and take away from money needed to be spent on Process/Vid card :hmm:

Also phsyco ... If I had more money believe me, It would go here ... but all I would like to have is medium graphics on Bf2 no lag ... but that seems to be a difficult challenge

Also, I assumed that AMD was better for gaming but still went ahead and did ALL my research on the Pentiums ... now I need help, I need a suggestion of a good AMD processor between the price range of 160-185$. If good means 300 bucks to ya then just name one within my price range

heres a good AMD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103535

[Battlefield Nuke]

Re: OK ... Why AMD Not P4?

nono DO NOT get that. AMD sempron processers are NOT good for gaming, not close to as good as the AMD Athlon 64 processer series is. Second, the graphics card is a geforce 4mx, you CANNOT play bf2 on that. and its AGP so you dont have that good of upgrade options. as for the ram, its good, but you should have like a gig.

You smoking pot boy? JK Semprons are good once you add all the fixings to them. Such as 512 extra ram for the existing 256 and a good video card.

[Noobownage11]

Re: OK ... Why AMD Not P4?

You smoking pot boy? JK Semprons are good once you add all the fixings to them. Such as 512 extra ram for the existing 256 and a good video card.

dude if you told him to get a Semprons you would be stupid. 64 bit tech is right around the corner. Get a 64 bit prosser if you don't want to get left behind.

[Battlefield Nuke]

Re: OK ... Why AMD Not P4?

dude if you told him to get a Semprons you would be stupid. 64 bit tech is right around the corner. Get a 64 bit prosser if you don't want to get left behind.

Not everyone's got money for buying the latest systems. Besides the Sempron runs BFV pretty well. 64 bit is around the corner but who wants to buy $600 dollar tech when in two more years you can get it for $200,IMO.

[imported_shadow_vision]

Re: OK ... Why AMD Not P4?

CHill fellas :p Id rather spend the money now and get a good process and vid card ... the rest can be upgraded at will... Just as a side note ... the people on this site kick@$$ It took me 2 weeks to get an idea of what kind of comp to make ... in the last 10 minutes I have a totally new comp wrote out on paper :p ... very nice

Btw ... how much Power supply would be good for this build ... if AMD runs hot then i Assume it needs more power than others

[Noobownage11]

Re: OK ... Why AMD Not P4?

Not everyone's got money for buying the latest systems. Besides the Sempron runs BFV pretty well. 64 bit is around the corner but who wants to buy $600 dollar tech when in two more years you can get it for $200,IMO.

oh and sorry if I sounded hostile. Anyway he should get 64 because anyway its in his buget range

shadow_vision do u have an im program like aim or msn messanger. I can help you more in detail,

[imported_shadow_vision]

Re: OK ... Why AMD Not P4?

shadow_vision do u have an im program like aim or msn messanger. I can help you more in detail,

No m8, i have an e-mail :p ... or this weekend I go to my dads and can use AIM there ... not sure if you wanna help some random person build a comp on xmas tho

[Noobownage11]

Re: OK ... Why AMD Not P4?

ok well shadow_vision I suggest you go to www.ibuypower.com It takes all the risks of buying incombatible parts out.

also http://www.aim.com/ click on can't download aim and im me

[imported_shadow_vision]

Re: OK ... Why AMD Not P4?

kk i got aim up, pm me ur screenname?

[kul]

Re: OK ... Why AMD Not P4?

for some reason my little brother loged into totalbf2 with his screen name (KUL) and now i cant log out and sign in as Eliminator. Just so you know, this is =ACT=Eliminator

ok well shadow_vision I suggest you go to www.ibuypower.com It takes all the risks of buying incombatible parts out.

also http://www.aim.com/ click on can't download aim and im me

BAD IDEA!!! IBuyPower and CyberPower are the same company and i had an extremely horrible experience with them. I ordered an A64FX55 ( highest end back then) on an Asus A8nSLI MOBO but when i got the PC i could not even boot it up. It kept crashing and would not even load up windows. When i called tech support, they just kept hanging up on me. After long hours on numerous forums, the problem was pin pointed to 1) ****ty $15 PSU which could not power up an FX processor with a RAID 0 config and 2) screwing up when placing a heat sink on the proc. This is my short story. To read all my frustrations with cyber power you can go here. http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.p...3&page=1&pp=15 ( that thread stared out talking about something but very quickly turned into why i hate cyberpower)

also,

I can get 1 Gig Max RAM on my budget ... anything more will force me to upgrade my motherboard and take away from money needed to be spent on Process/Vid card

if you are getting an A64 rig then you will a new MOBO anyway. P4 and A64 are not compatable with each other. you need a socket 939 MOBO for the A64.


Now as for why AMD is better than Intel is because AMD A64 processors are new and Pentium 4 are not. Intel has changed their Pentium line very little since P3s. They added a new instruction here, higher and higher and higher clock there but nothing too significant. If you are buying the regular P4 then you are getting old tech with just a higher clock speed. AMD, on the other hand compleatly reingineered their processors and introduced the A64. The most significant thing they did was replace the front side bus with the hyper transport ( which means more bandwidth between the MOBO and the CPU) and intergrading the memory controller in the processor. We all know what RAM does and how important it is so i won't need to explain that. Baisicly when a P4 needs to access something on the RAM it needs to send a request to the north bridge ( a chip on the MOBO), which then talks to the ram. The ram then sends what ever back to the north bridge from where it is then sent to the CPU. AMD eliminated the middle man. The CPU now talks directly to RAM and thus can access it much faster, which is extremely important for games! Again as some one mentioned, Another reason A64 are better is because they can work at 64bit. Of cause this does not mean they process twice the amount of data per clock right now since you need a 64bit app to tap into the 64 bit performance but windows Vista, which will predomenantly be 64, will and so will all the other programs that will soon come out. I think UT2007 will be 64bit too but i could be mistaken.

Again, i recommend 1 GIG of ram. I would have said get something with low latency such as an XMS but when since you are on budget even Value Ram will do. Just dont exept to overclock much. You may look into a better vid card. x800XL maybe.... Its around $250 but is still the best bang/ buck. I would also recommend that you definitly get a higher HDD. 80Gigs is not enough for anything. I have around 300 Gigs now and i'm running out of space. Once you start getting into vids then it will eat up all the space on the HDD.

sorry for any gramatical errors in my post. Its late and my brain is shutting down. feel free to ask more questions tommorow

=ACT=Eliminator, Platoon Leader, Admin, Recruiting Officer, and much more in =ACT= Clan

my Xfire: kuleliminator

[|D|-Char-ley_Killa]

Re: OK ... Why AMD Not P4?

dont build a new system unless u get atleast a gig of ram, a SLI mobo atleast a 3200+ and atleast a 6800 gt. and I wouldnt build a new system unless i was getting an fx 57 a 7800 gtx 512 and the top of the line asus sli board and 2 gigs of ram, so save ur bucks and get a good pc

[-(PK)-DarkIllusion]

Re: OK ... Why AMD Not P4?

well i was trying to make a pc for my cousin.. (first time.. so dont flame n $tuff) and this is wut i sort of came up with... he had 700 limit too..

CHAINTECH VNF4 ATX AMD Motherboard $69.00
AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 1GHz FSB Socket 939 Processor $178.00
Patriot Signature Series 1GB (2 x 512MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Dual Channel Kit System Memory $74.95
Memorex 2-Tone IDE DVD Burner Model 32023292 $70.99
XION Ultimate Engineering XON-002 Black/Silver Computer Case With Side Panel Window
$64.00
AOpen Geforce 6600GT GF6600GT-DV128 Video Card $114.00 (after rebate.)
Western Digital Caviar SE 120GB 3.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive$79.00
Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2 Value SB0400 Sound Card $45.50

thats about it. (xcept windows ofcourse.. or you can get linux.. dunno if games will play tough)
oh.. and i've heard the motherboard's onboard soundcard is good, mentioning it just in case you're not wiling to go 45 buks on it.
am i missing anything? as i said.. this is the first pc i built... i also posted to see if its ok or not.. any improvements?

TOTAL$695.44
lol go buy a bigmac or something wit wuts leftover

[Eliminator]

Re: OK ... Why AMD Not P4?

well i was trying to make a pc for my cousin.. (first time.. so dont flame n $tuff) and this is wut i sort of came up with... he had 700 limit too..

CHAINTECH VNF4 ATX AMD Motherboard $69.00
AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 1GHz FSB Socket 939 Processor $178.00
Patriot Signature Series 1GB (2 x 512MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Dual Channel Kit System Memory $74.95
Memorex 2-Tone IDE DVD Burner Model 32023292 $70.99
XION Ultimate Engineering XON-002 Black/Silver Computer Case With Side Panel Window
$64.00
AOpen Geforce 6600GT GF6600GT-DV128 Video Card $114.00 (after rebate.)
Western Digital Caviar SE 120GB 3.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive$79.00
Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2 Value SB0400 Sound Card $45.50

thats about it. (xcept windows ofcourse.. or you can get linux.. dunno if games will play tough)
oh.. and i've heard the motherboard's onboard soundcard is good, mentioning it just in case you're not wiling to go 45 buks on it.
am i missing anything? as i said.. this is the first pc i built... i also posted to see if its ok or not.. any improvements?

TOTAL$695.44
lol go buy a bigmac or something wit wuts leftover

YES, i finally managed to log back in. that long post by KUL post was me.

thats a good example for a budget PC. I'm sure it will play BF2 on MED settings but if i were yo i would have spent more on the MOBO and gotten an Asus A8V from some other more prestigious MOBO manufacturer such as Gigabyte, DFI, etc.. I think i also read that Patriot ram can be unstable and cause crashes but i guess if you ran MEMTEST 88 for a day and it did not crash then your ram is ok. Getting a separate sound card was also a good idea. Onboard sound cards can take up to 30% of CPU resources which cause HUGE drops in performance.

This is what i'm getting for Xmas:

AMD 4800 X2
2GIGS of Corsair XMS
x800XL ( my weakest point but will be upgraded SOON)
CoolerMaster WaveMaster case
500W PSU
2x Hitachi 160Gigs in Raid 0
Asus A8n32 SLI Deluxe

of cause my budget is over $2000 :) But i'm a serious gamer and worked hard to earn that!!

[-(PK)-DarkIllusion]

Re: OK ... Why AMD Not P4?

well he wanted a budget pc.. and lucky for him. i was building one for my cousin.. lol. so that pc seems ok?