Nvidia isn't all it's cracked up to be! Proof!

[toxik]

Re: Nvidia isn't all it's cracked up to be! Proof!

Shimmering is currently a problem. But it is merely the current drivers. Nvidia uses diferent method for AF but it doesn't mean its bad or it's not real or something else. The new drivers that will come will fix it. Some people on nvnews forums already posted that they are beta testing new drivers and shimmering is gone.

I hate how people are saying that the 7800 is all of a sudden a bad video card because they use a diferent method for AF instead of ATi's. Don't think a huge company like nvidia is just all of a sudden gonna release a video card with quality defects and not do anything about it.

[neo265]

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Think this post is getting a bit out of hand.

Ive been following the ATI NVidia war for a long time now and I can honestly say that ATI are better at AA and AF. It all stems back to when NVidia released the FX5 series. ATI's 9x range were miles ahead so Nvidia made a compramise and took a hit on mostly on AA performance to boost up the FPS. Look at any testing, the ATI image quality test always look better.

[DrunkenPirate]

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**** the germans.

One more like that and you are gone.

Its called shut the **** up. your another one of these people who dont like nvidia and is finding anything you can to doubt them.

GET A LIFE, BUY NVIDIA

I see that a cure for fanboyism has yet to be discovered.
If you can't discuss like the rest then please don't

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[ryanlopez05]

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Dude, I'm simply trying to bring in another view or opinion. But saying "dumbest post" when your post had barely anything to do with this topic is completely out of line.

Just for your information, as I can see you didn't notice, I was stating how I found a news source which claims that Nvidia is optimising their cards to produce a lower effect of anisotropic filtering, at the gain of performance. No, I am not treating it as pure fact, as even I have some doubts, but as I said, it's simply a different view. What I've gathered from your post there though, is that you think I'm trying to say the new ATI cards are gonna be better. Did I say ANYWHERE "new ATI cards" or anything about the new ones AT ALL.

Seems like you've misunderstood the "dumbest post" I wonder what you would have to say for yourself then!

well you based your opinion on that... which is stupid... look at your posts name... still a dumb thread

[Gorro]

Re: Nvidia isn't all it's cracked up to be! Proof!

Has anyone ever put an ATI X850XT PE and a Nvidia 7800GTX side by side and compared them? I'm guessing that they'd be pretty close.

[neo265]

Re: Nvidia isn't all it's cracked up to be! Proof!

You mean how the boards are laid out size etc?

[Gorro]

Re: Nvidia isn't all it's cracked up to be! Proof!

Nah, I mean like plug them into equal systems and run BF2 on the max settings and see which performs better.

[UnimatriX]

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The Nvidia would perform better FPS wise, but not visually. This is of course, because of the whole relation of this thread. Nvidia's levels of AF are significantly lower in quality than of ATI's. This gives a large boost in performance, yet a lack of visual quality for the 7800 GTX.

If Nvidia is looking to fix this in a new driver, then, as the article says, they may have to sacrafice up to 30% of the cards performance just to enhance that AF quality. So this means, IF 7800 GTX gives 100 FPS in BF2, and X800 XT PE gives 70 FPS, than after Nvidia's optimisation (to even out the quality with Radeon cards) it could lose up to 30 FPS in BF2. This is only speaking in comparison, as I'm not sure of any current speeds the 7800 GTX would give in BF2.

[UnimatriX]

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well you based your opinion on that... which is stupid... look at your posts name... still a dumb thread

That's because you're not even considering the whole article! Are you perhaps jealous or something? Because most of the people posting here, don't find it a "dumb" article. It has some very valid points and clear proof to back it up. Calling it "dumb" and calling me "dumb" for believing it means that you have absolutely no consideration to see what is actually going on in the article (or you do but you won't admit it).

As for the thread title, I thought that I would approach with a very discreet angle to simply show that people should consider what's inside, as there is some valid reasons and proof. Nothing dumb with that...

[Talus]

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@ OP: Written like a true ATI fanboy

Can we NOT have yet another nVidia VS ATI war?

[toxik]

Re: Nvidia isn't all it's cracked up to be! Proof!

The Nvidia would perform better FPS wise, but not visually. This is of course, because of the whole relation of this thread. Nvidia's levels of AF are significantly lower in quality than of ATI's. This gives a large boost in performance, yet a lack of visual quality for the 7800 GTX.

If Nvidia is looking to fix this in a new driver, then, as the article says, they may have to sacrafice up to 30% of the cards performance just to enhance that AF quality. So this means, IF 7800 GTX gives 100 FPS in BF2, and X800 XT PE gives 70 FPS, than after Nvidia's optimisation (to even out the quality with Radeon cards) it could lose up to 30 FPS in BF2. This is only speaking in comparison, as I'm not sure of any current speeds the 7800 GTX would give in BF2.

That's why the article doesn't know wtf its talkin about. The benchmarks I saw on nvnews show that the fps loss is only 1% or so. Plus the quality is the same, shimmering would be the only diference. And there is a huge diference between 7800GTX and X850, 7800 beats it in any competition.... that's because X850 isn't 7800s competitor, the R520 is supposed to be.

[ryanlopez05]

Re: Nvidia isn't all it's cracked up to be! Proof!

Dude, I'm simply trying to bring in another view or opinion. But saying "dumbest post" when your post had barely anything to do with this topic is completely out of line.

Just for your information, as I can see you didn't notice, I was stating how I found a news source which claims that Nvidia is optimising their cards to produce a lower effect of anisotropic filtering, at the gain of performance. No, I am not treating it as pure fact, as even I have some doubts, but as I said, it's simply a different view. What I've gathered from your post there though, is that you think I'm trying to say the new ATI cards are gonna be better. Did I say ANYWHERE "new ATI cards" or anything about the new ones AT ALL.

Seems like you've misunderstood the "dumbest post" I wonder what you would have to say for yourself then!

This is the dumbest reply ever.. hope i didnt hurt your feelings

[djstubbs]

Re: Nvidia isn't all it's cracked up to be! Proof!

ryanlopez05: 95% of the people on these forums are absolutely clueless as to anything hardware or pc related.

As far as the the new drivers are concerned and a performance decrease...

It's extremely marginal, and in some cases there was actually an increase in performance.

The drivers in reference are the 78.03 (beta drivers) vs. the 77.77 (WHQL).

Some of you guys need to check out the facts before posting your thoughts.

I'd reccomend reading, and keeping up to date on the following websites:

https://www.anandtech.com

https://www.tomshardware.com

www.guru3d.com

[imported_bigpappa]

Re: Nvidia isn't all it's cracked up to be! Proof!

nvidia likes me and i like them

[SenorDingDong]

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i personally own a 7800 GT, and it defintly doesn't sacrifice image quality like you guys are saying.

The Super Sampling option it has, under transparent anti-aliasing, improves quality even more.

As for performance, look at the 3d Mark 05 thread.
Its clear then the 7800 GT is ahead of the X850, like it should be.