Anyone have any real world IDE RAID experience?

[knghtwhosaysni]

Re: Anyone have any real world IDE RAID experience?

When I had my 7200 rpm drives in RAID 0, I didn't notice a difference from my non-RAID setup now. All RAID 0 did for me was fail due to timing errors, and I had to reformat twice because of it.

[SERIALBUTCHER]

Re: Anyone have any real world IDE RAID experience?

When I had my 7200 rpm drives in RAID 0, I didn't notice a difference from my non-RAID setup now. All RAID 0 did for me was fail due to timing errors, and I had to reformat twice because of it.

You have to have the right cluster, & stripe sizes for to get the benefit of RAID0

I have Raptor RAID0 w/ 4kb clusters, & 16kb stripes

I have taken bases before the enemy had 5 men in action on a full 64 man server

peace:)

[lonegunm4n]

Re: Anyone have any real world IDE RAID experience?

You have to have the right cluster, & stripe sizes for to get the benefit of RAID0

I have Raptor RAID0 w/ 4kb clusters, & 16kb stripes

I have taken bases before the enemy had 5 men in action on a full 64 man server

peace:)

so? I load just as quick with a 7200rpm SATA hard drive. Raid isn't everything.

[SERIALBUTCHER]

Re: Anyone have any real world IDE RAID experience?

so? I load just as quick with a 7200rpm SATA hard drive. Raid isn't everything.

No you do not, & saying so is just silly

A pair of 7,200rpm sata drives are not as fast as a pair of 10,000rpm sata drives

Have a good day

peace:)

[lonegunm4n]

Re: Anyone have any real world IDE RAID experience?

No you do not, & saying so is just silly

A pair of 7,200rpm sata drives are not as fast as a pair of 10,000rpm sata drives

Have a good day

peace:)

yes i do, and tryin' to tell me I don't know my own computer is silly.

And for the record, I only have 1 hard drive.

you just can't get the fact that you spent a lot of money for 10k drives when I spent $60 for a 200gb 16mb cache SATA drive and load just as quick as you.

[Sir. MatDef]

Re: Anyone have any real world IDE RAID experience?

No you do not, & saying so is just silly

A pair of 7,200rpm sata drives are not as fast as a pair of 10,000rpm sata drives

Have a good day

peace:)

Straight from the raid faq at hardforum.com.

RAID cannot provide a performance boost in all applications. This statement is especially true with typical desktop application users and gamers. Most desktop applications and games place performance emphasis on the buffer startegy and seek performance of the disk(s). Increasing raw sustained transfer rate shows little gains for desktop users and gamers, as most files that they access are typically very small anyway. Disk striping using RAID-0 increases linear transfer performance, not buffer and seek performance. As a result, disk striping using RAID-0 shows little to no performance gain in most desktop applications and games, although there are exceptions. For desktop users and gamers with high performance as a goal, it is better to buy a faster and more expensive single disk than it is to run two slower drives in RAID-0. Even running the latest and greatest drives in RAID-0 is unlikely to boost performance more than 10%, and performance may drop in some access patterns, particularly games.

'Nuff said.

[lonegunm4n]

Re: Anyone have any real world IDE RAID experience?

No you do not, & saying so is just silly

A pair of 7,200rpm sata drives are not as fast as a pair of 10,000rpm sata drives

Have a good day

peace:)

.....and you totally ignore this:

http://www.totalbf2.com/forums/showt...highlight=raid

[Gunny Highway]

Re: Anyone have any real world IDE RAID experience?

Straight from the raid faq at hardforum.com.



'Nuff said.

And here are som more tests from StorageReview.com which leads to same conclusion:

http://faq.storagereview.com/SingleDriveVsRaid0

Again, RAID 0 does have its advantages in a handful of key applications and uses where data files are huge and/or data requests are highly sequential in nature. Data requests are not highly sequential, however, in typical desktop productivity and most gaming usage patterns, the most often cited in "Help me build my RAID 0!" posts.

The point? Dont assume RAID 0 offers increased performance for all or even most applications... and dont assume that transfer rates reflect application-level performance.

To summarize, RAID 0 offers generally minimal performance gains, significantly increased risk of data loss, and greater cost. That said, it offers the ability to have one large partition using the combined space of your identical drives, and there are situations where the benefit of the benefits outweight the disadvantages. It is your computer: The choice is up to you.

and from here:

http://storagereview.com/articles/200406/20040625TCQ_1.html

3. RAID helps multi-user applications far more than it does single-user scenarios. The enthusiasm of the power user community combined with the marketing apparatus of firms catering to such crowds has led to an extraordinarily erroneous belief that striping data across two or more drives yields significant performance benefits for the majority of non-server uses. This could not be farther from the truth! Non-server use, even in heavy multitasking situations, generates lower-depth, highly-localized access patterns where read-ahead and write-back strategies dominate. Theory has told those willing to listen that striping does not yield significant performance benefits. Some time ago, a controlled, empirical test backed what theory suggested. Doubts still lingered- irrationally, many believed that results would somehow be different if the array was based off of an SATA or SCSI interface. As shown above, the results are the same. Save your time, money and data- leave RAID for the servers!

[SERIALBUTCHER]

Re: Anyone have any real world IDE RAID experience?

yes i do, and tryin' to tell me I don't know my own computer is silly.

And for the record, I only have 1 hard drive.

you just can't get the fact that you spent a lot of money for 10k drives when I spent $60 for a 200gb 16mb cache SATA drive and load just as quick as you.

Get a job, hard work never hurt anyone:)

[Sir. MatDef]

Re: Anyone have any real world IDE RAID experience?

Get a job, hard work never hurt anyone:)

How does that have any revelency to the topic at hand?

[SERIALBUTCHER]

Re: Anyone have any real world IDE RAID experience?

How does that have any revelency to the topic at hand?

If you had half a brain you would not ask such a stupid question

Stop trying to convince yourself that you can build a Ferrari, w/ Yugo parts

GET A JOB

rotflmao

And here are som more tests from StorageReview.com which leads to same conclusion:

http://faq.storagereview.com/SingleDriveVsRaid0

and from here:
http://storagereview.com/articles/20...0625TCQ_1.html

You can find hundreds of articles that give differing opinions

Most RAID0 experiments are flawed because they don't optimize cluster, & stipe size

Like I said stick to kid games:p

[Sir. MatDef]

Re: Anyone have any real world IDE RAID experience?

If you had half a brain you would not ask such a stupid question

Stop trying to convince yourself that you can build a Ferrari, w/ Yugo parts

GET A JOB

rotflmao

What's wrong, you got angry just because a couple of kids told you how wrong you were on teh intarwebs? I have a job, and I still know that while you can't build a ferrari with yugo parts,so why use 'em? I do know that you can build a car that would be 2/3 as good for 1/4 the price. Raid 0 isn't for gaming,and won't improve load times for games, trying to convince yourself otherwise is ludacris.

[Gunny Highway]

Re: Anyone have any real world IDE RAID experience?

You can find hundreds of articles that give differing opinions

Most RAID0 experiments are flawed because they don't optimize cluster, & stipe size

Like I said stick to kid games:p

You don't make your arguments in a discussion by going after ppl that disagree with you, which seems to be your debating "tactic".

If you actually read the articles that ppl link to you might learn somthing yourself

Main point of the articles is the fact that with huge files and highly sequential transfers is where you would benefit from RAID0, but that doesn't bring an increase in performance in most games and desktop applications, where access patterns are quite different. Even heavy multitasking wouldn't benefit from it.

Personally I just stick with my one 150 GB Raptor for OS and games, and my other 7200 HDDs for storage etc. are not configured in RAID. I would use RAID5 if any for these drives, for sake of redundancy.

[lil_jimmy_norton]

Re: Anyone have any real world IDE RAID experience?

you just can't get the fact that you spent a lot of money for 10k drives when I spent $60 for a 200gb 16mb cache SATA drive and load just as quick as you.

Sorry to call you out but there is no way. 10k makes a huge diffrence. Download HD Tach http://www.simplisoftware.com/Public...request=HdTach and post you're results for the long test. Then we'll have a few peeps with 10k drives do the same, so you can see the diffrence.

Ok, my results are

Random Acess 7.9Ms
CPU Util 7%
Avg Read 78.1 MB/s
Burts 138MB/s

[lonegunm4n]

Re: Anyone have any real world IDE RAID experience?

Sorry to call you out but there is no way. 10k makes a huge diffrence. Download HD Tach http://www.simplisoftware.com/Public...request=HdTach and post you're results for the long test. Then we'll have a few peeps with 10k drives do the same, so you can see the diffrence.

Ok, my results are

Random Acess 7.9Ms
CPU Util 7%
Avg Read 78.1 MB/s
Burts 138MB/s

i know, I slightly over exaggerated, but I was more after the fact that he wasn't gaining much over me because he was using Raid. His gain was because he was using 10k drives, not because he had Raid.