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  • mouth

    #46
    Edited by [user="9271"] @ [time="1145521879"]

    I have a theory, honestly and truly, that has yet to be disproven. And it says dexta here is likely an Aussie.



    I'm not kidding.
    america had its time, when the rest of the world was still developing.
    Caught this scrolling down after the fact. It seemed like a great setup to preface a chunk of text with an argument on how you think it's acceptable to write like a moron. This was the payoff.

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    • hahnchen

      #47
      This post has absolutely degenerated into poorly worded and ill conceived rants. No dexta, we can read u and r, we just don't want to. I've written using actual words and coherent sentences as a courtesy to other users, you should consider doing the same.



      When you wrote about a new culture rising to dominate asia, I really thought you were going to say China and its ambitions. But instead, you picked Korea. Really? Korea? Living in the decadent West, I can barely name anything other than Lineage, Starcraft culture and Kimchi. Yes, the Korean influence is growing, but it's still tiny. The film industry still isn't anything compared to Japan's or Hong Kong. Asian cuisine can be seen everywhere, but it's not Korean, it's Japanese or Chinese. Korea may bring us the might of Samsung and LG, but they're not exactly the greatest exponents of Korean culture are they?

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      • dexta

        #48
        lol. u have much to learn. go to asia and see for yourself exactly what kind of influence korea has over there. im not talking about its influence in america. everything is happening over there right now.



        and... sorry for not typing the way u guys want me to, but i got used to this way after all these years. regardless...



        Okay. I don't want to get TOO involved here, regardless of what I wrote previously. You should realize that the Korean film industry has grown to be as good as the movies from any other country. Hollywood has even taken the liberty to remake a good number of popular Korean movies into Americanized versions of them. I doubt how much success there will be in this, but Korean movies are actually very good. There's lots of high quality stuff. If you want a taste of it, watch "Old Boy" (you can probably get a torrent of it). I have Vietnamese friends here who have seen Korean movies and have told me how much influence Korea has in Vietnam. I can pretty much guarentee you that people of other nationalities can also tell you of the growing influence of Korea in their Asian country, and how big it actually is. The Korean influence in America is extremely small. Japan probably wins in the US. That's why you never see anything about Korea in America. I would actually say that it's more difficult for the general American to relate to Korean culture since its so "Asian," but I've also read articles talking about the small impact Korean entertainment has had on Americans. It turns out that people of all nationalities make up that population. But Japan and China have always been the big ones, which is why this growing popularity of Korean culture is so surprising.



        Alright. I got some articles for you. Note that they are written on the official English website of Korea. Incase you decide to say that they were biased, you can search on the net and read forums or something. I've read through a lot of what is on the internet and the material written on the articles looks very legit. It's one of Korea's official websites, after all.

        Korean influence in China; written last year.

        http://korea.net/korea/G08_board_view.asp?board_no=13

        About the Korean influence in general; January 2006.

        http://korea.net/korea/G08_board_view.asp?board_no=26

        Little more about that; last year

        http://korea.net/korea/G08_board_view.asp?board_no=7



        There you go. You can read similar things elsewhere as well, if you search enough. It's real, folks.

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        • hahnchen

          #49
          I watched Jonathan Ross do a show on Korean films not too long ago, so I can off the top of my head name a few of their films.



          But ask someone to name an Asian film, and they'll come back with a Hong Kong action flick or some crazy ass Japanese horror/anime. You have mentioned that Japan and China are the big influences in Asia. Korea grows, but there's a long way to go until they compete.



          They might do better on the music side of things, almost no one outside of South China listens to cantopop, because it's crap. Then again, I think the same to Jpop/rock and Kpop too, but others seem to rape the stuff.

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          • Deletable_Man

            #50
            Zips wrote..

            About as good as button mashers can be I'd suppose.
            No you're thinking of other fighting games where picking the right moves doesnt matter.

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            • mouth

              #51
              Oh, goody! The official site of a country! That's sure to be totally fucking objective! I would have left by now if it weren't for how ridiculous this is.



              Of course the Korean influence is non-existent in America. They've been cribbing off of fucking Japan for the past 10 years. We have enough of a problem with the Jap-wannabe fags here. We really don't need to be influenced by an entire country of hardcore cultural knockoffs.



              Yes, rent Oldboy. Tell me it's worth more than the awesome fight scene. Rent any number of Korean movies and tell me how many aren't purest cases of style over substance. Look at any of the music and TV in Korea and tell me how many aren't just colorful fluff. Look at the games. Actually, don't. I've plenty of experience talking to people who have an inexplicable desire to defend asian media because it's SOOO INDIE COMPARED 2 UR MAINSTREAM CRAP AND U JUST NED 2 SEE MAN. I'm happy with you asphyxiating.

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              • dexta

                #52
                Edited by [user="195856"] @ [time="1145568967"]

                Regarding hahnchen's post:

                Well if your talking about Americans not being able to name a Korean movie, then fine. I already said that the Korean influence in America is very small. But Korean things are becoming very big in Asia. I can't tell you from first-hand experience how big Korean movies are in Asia, but I mean, other Asians in my school know about Korean movies (these are international students, who just came from their country). Maybe the reason this is hard to understand is because you personally have more access to the Chinese or Japanese multimedia. Korea isn't like the new nazi movement or anything, lol. I'm not trying to say that it's like Godzilla or anything. But the popularity of Korean stuff has become incredibly high. Go to Japan, and you will see a Korean TV show on one of their regular channels. Korea isn't so powerful that they could affect Japan in an imperialist manner. The fact that Japan, China, and all these other Asian countries air these shows, watch these movies, or listen to that music WILLINGLY, without force or anything, means a lot. For such a small country to have such a large affect is simply incredible.



                If you read those few articles, you could see the degree to which this is having affect in Asia. There is also a little influence in Latin America, I hear. Korea isn't as powerful as Japan or China, meaning they naturally have a harder time influencing other countries so much. But it is happening anyway, and I don't think this is something you can just brush off. I believe the most powerful force in all of this is the Korean dramas (TV shows, basically). Everyone watches these, man. I met a Mongolian co-worker at my part-time job, a well-aged lady, probably in her 50s or 60s, who watch Korean dramas with subtitles with her family. My boss was Korean and he asked her what they watch, and they actually have been keeping up with almost all of the popular ones. And apparently, her family isn't the only one doing this. A lot of Mongolians also watch Korean dramas, and rather religiously, according to her.



                Again, this influence has just barely even touched America. It's almost non-existent. So, maybe you never heard of anything about Korea, and maybe no one else in America has either. But it's not like if America hasn't experienced it, it doesnt exist at all. If it's really so hard to believe, go and see for yourself. I believe, Mr hahnchen, you will be surprised. I mean, compare another country the size of Korea and see how much influence they have. Korea's population is what, 48 million? That's smaller than the UK, France, Germany, Turkey, the Philippines... but none of those countries have had influences like Korea's in Asia.



                now, mouth:

                if you bothered reading through the stuff in the links, you could at least see the FACTS and just read over those. The articles actually aren't that opinionated or anything.



                By the way, what do you actually even know about any of the Korean stuff? Can you explain WHY all that stuff is becoming so popular in all of Asia if it's essentially all crap? Unless you are saying everyone in Asia who likes that stuff is a mindless retard who just likes crap, I don't think you have the slightest understanding of how good all of this actually is. Okay, I can see you saw at least a little bit of Old Boy, by your mention of the fight scene. Now, if you thought the rest of the movie was crap, we can just completely disregard your post, because obviously your sense of what's good or bad is very poor. Old Boy is one of the most internationally reknown movies, and it's been awarded for its excellence. or whatever. Calling that crap is either a diss to everyone who has praised it, or simply an opinion.

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                • entRo

                  #53
                  America fucking sucks.

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                  • mouth

                    #54
                    dexta wrote..

                    A lot of Mongolians also watch Korean dramas, and rather religiously, according to her.
                    IT'S FUCKIN' MONGOLIA.
                    By the way, what do you actually even know about any of the Korean stuff?
                    Not much. Only what i've gathered from watching the progress of asian music, television, and movies for the past 7 years.

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                    • dexta

                      #55
                      Not much. Only what i've gathered from watching the progress of asian music, television, and movies for the past 7 years.
                      for some reason, i'm really not impressed.



                      btw, why does it matter if its mongolia or not? isnt the korean influence still being seen by that? or does mongolia not count. sorry if it doesnt.

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                      • ph03nix(k)

                        #56
                        God damn mongolians knock down my city wall..

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                        • -:Nighthawk:-

                          #57
                          ph03nix(k) wrote..

                          God damn mongolians knock down my city wall..
                          Yeah, and they built a grill in its place.
                          Gpig wrote..

                          I hang an America flag from mine.
                          :.:.: wrote..

                          pics
                          Those were, by far, the best comments in this thread, which doesn't say a whole lot for the rest of what has been said. Ah well, at least the "laughing at ignorance and pissing contests" aspect has been plentiful.
                          dexta wrote..

                          the fact is, uve been spending ur whole life in the same house all ur life. seriously, get a passport and live somewhere else for a year or two, then come back to america and see how brainwashed and closeminded everyone is.
                          I think it's amusing that people who live in rather small countries think that their traveling experiences have been so phenominal, when they're going less distance to get to the next country as Americans go to get to a bordering state. I don't know of any intelligent person who would make the claim that Americans travel less than people in other countries -- however, despite the large distances we're able to traverse on a regular basis (our fuel prices being what they are greatly aids this), it still remains predominantly within the States because the USA is rather large.
                          hahnchen wrote..

                          Do you really think the rest of the world hates America? Maybe it's true, maybe it's because America is so much better than everyone else, that the only way we can make ourselves feel better is by belittling your strange shaped footballs, or you beautiful beautiful cars. But it wasn't always this way. After September 11, the world was by America's side, people were marching in Tehran in a show of support for America. You were bathing in goodwill. And in 5 years, all that has gone to be replaced with quite possibly the greatest sense of global animosity to America. Ask yourselves why this is.
                          I recall watching the news afterward and seeing some countries in which people were definitely flocking to the streets, but not in sympathy or support, but in celebration. Additionally, using Tehran as an example seems rather out of place. You're talking about a country that threatens to wipe another ally of the USA off the map, presumably with nuclear weapons... and you're trying to convince other readers that the USA has turned Iran from being a supporter to an enemy in a mere 5 years? Iran does not have any love lost for the USA, and hasn't for as long as any of us reading this can remember.
                          dexta wrote..

                          lol. u gotta be kidding me. choosing to type in such a way (as in using "u" and "r") automatically labels me as unintelligent?
                          Perfect mastery of the English language (or whichever language you happen to write in, but English is the relevant one for this site obviously) conveys a sense of intelligence that is otherwise lost. Perhaps the foul-smelling drunk in the back alley has some really good ideas about any number of subjects, but odds are his presentation will turn you off before you've had a chance to consider them. The same thing applies when your typing style present yourself as a child growing up in the text-messaging generation.
                          america has been a large influence in the world with the westernization of countries everywhere (and dont forget about the countless numbers of mcdonald$$$), but that influence is dying out quickly with the emergence of a new cultural influence that is dominating asia. that influence, my friend, comes from the small country of SOUTH KOREA.
                          Emphasis my own. Those are pretty strong statements. Let's see where you go with it...
                          america had its time, when the rest of the world was still developing. westernization was huge. still is, to some degree... but its dying. or has died. basically is dead. choose what u wish; today's america is now korea.
                          Bumping it up a notch. Now not only is America's influence "dead" by your standards, now Korea possesses the cultural influence and power that USA, the world's "former" superpower, once had. Let's see if you can stick to your guns:
                          dexta wrote..

                          Regarding hahnchen's post:

                          Well if your talking about Americans not being able to name a Korean movie, then fine. I already said that the Korean influence in America is very small. But Korean things are becoming very big in Asia.
                          Wait, South Korea, which if Seoul was anything to judge it by, has been massively affected by western culture, doesn't have much influence on America? But this is the new America we're talking about, it's SOUTH KOREA! How could so amazing a country as the "new America" not be influencing the "old America?" Must be a fluke, and certainly S. Korea's cultural dominance pervades everywhere else in the world...
                          I'm not trying to say that it's like Godzilla or anything. But the popularity of Korean stuff has become incredibly high.

                          ...

                          Korea isn't as powerful as Japan or China, meaning they naturally have a harder time influencing other countries so much.
                          Wait a second. The "new America" doesn't even have the influence that Japan or China have? South Korea has a hard time influencing other countries?
                          I mean, compare another country the size of Korea and see how much influence they have. Korea's population is what, 48 million? That's smaller than the UK, France, Germany, Turkey, the Philippines... but none of those countries have had influences like Korea's in Asia.
                          The problem, dexta, is that you tried to sell us on South Korea having a world influence superior to that which America has had on the world. The westernization spread by America has affected basically every country to some extent, and had a huge impact on Asia, a continent halfway around the world from America.



                          By comparison, South Korea has had a somewhat noticable impact on its neighbors. None of us would deny that S. Korea has the potential to spread culture and influence surrounding areas. But instead of saying "South Korea, for its size, has had a disproportionately large impact" or something else that sounds logical and defendable, you've instead tried to sell the idea that South Korea is the world's superpower, and that America is nothing but a dead shell.



                          Backtracking after everyone else notices how ridiculous your statements are doesn't help, either. Next time, stick to saying "South Korea has been doing video gaming on television for quite a while, and the gaming scene in general here is much more predominant than it is in most other countries" and perhaps we can agree with your statements, rather than laughing at them.
                          Okay, I can see you saw at least a little bit of Old Boy, by your mention of the fight scene. Now, if you thought the rest of the movie was crap, we can just completely disregard your post, because obviously your sense of what's good or bad is very poor. Old Boy is one of the most internationally reknown movies, and it's been awarded for its excellence. or whatever. Calling that crap is either a diss to everyone who has praised it, or simply an opinion.
                          I saw Old Boy, and personally hated it. It's not that it wasn't fairly decent writing or acting or anything, I just didn't find it to appeal to me. However, given how high the movie is rated on IMDb (which is the only reason I saw it in the first place) apparently there is a fairly large group of people who did like that token film. That said, take a look over IMDb's top 250 list and check out how many are produced by each country. Even French films, a rather minor contributor to the list, far outnumber Korean films.



                          Ultimately, though, this really shouldn't be a pissing contest like so many people have tried to turn it into. I don't care if people from my country think it's better than your country, or vice-versa. What is relevant is that American TV is going to feature some gaming competitions, and it'll be interesting to see how well-received they are by American audiences. End of story.

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                          • dexta

                            #58
                            Edited by [user="195856"] @ [time="1145598259"]

                            sigh. im getting tired of all this. but nighthawk, i think ur sticking to that whole "koreans r the new america" thing way too much (and u misinterpreted some other things as well). unfortunately i never realized that my statement about that could stick so hard, cuz i never intended it to do so. instead, i wished to put some light on the fact that Korea is becoming influencial to asia in a way america used to be on.. the world. but i think u get my general point, as u seemed to sum it up in some of your sentences. i don't think i ever tried to sell korea has the new superpower, though. maybe thats just the impression you got..? i mentioned its small size to show that it was in no position to be a superpower, to help explain exactly how big of a deal this new korean thing actually is. and korea's just recently been on the rise; had it been like this for a longer time, you couldve probably expected more korean movies to be on the IMDb's list. korean films are on the rise, though.



                            what i probably should've emphasized more is that, above all, korean tv is what's doing most of the influencing. music would follow after that, then movies. and frankly, as the only thing americans actually have access to are the movies, and since korean music is more easily appreciated to an asian ear, it's not surprising that this whole thing isnt felt as much as it could be. but ultimately, i just wish more people would be more willing to keep their ears open to new things. the director of crash said the same thing about america, noting its general ignorance of other cultures. i guess i feel the same way. anyways, im done with the long posting here. maybe ill read what the next few ppl have to say, but i exhausted myself of anything else to say.

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                            • mouth

                              #59
                              Nope. Korean music largely cribs off American trends, often several years too late. Asia, South Korea included, took to the whole manufactured pop-band thing as well as everyone else. That wasn't even a nice try.



                              Thanks to the internet and broadband, Americans (and most other major countries) have access to the media of just about everywhere. The only thing that really, truly gets in the way of that exploration is usually contact with this generation of wannabe-hipster retards who invariably talk like idiots and can't seem to help liking things for all the wrong reasons. It's not "felt as much as it could be" because of people like you.

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                              • dexta

                                #60
                                lol. i dont know how to respond. i guess i'll just smile.



                                :)

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