VAC Bans Ramp Up

[Def1ance]

cswarez wrote..

hehehe, you mean:



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Getting there though innocent!

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LOL

[TuRd-BuRgLaR]

good to see cliffe reads the comments on csnation

[Snakebyte]

Unfortunately, this likely won't help prevent good players from being accused of cheats... nubs will just say "oh u found a new way to get around vac u hacker hax waah waah i suck!!!1"



Hmm, TuRd-BuRgLaR, are you the same one I used to know? :o

[TuRd-BuRgLaR]

firetiger.net?

[Pomme]

Thortok2000 wrote..

I think VAC should be mandatory on all servers. Playing on a non-secure server just so you're allowed to cheat is still a violation of the EULA, is it not?

Lets keep some amnistied places for thoses fuckers so they dont feel like going on real servers for real fun.

Thortok2000 wrote..

Isn't there also a mailing list that says when they update VAC? That should go away. VAC should be updated silently, but of course you can do like they did just now and say "We've updated 8 times in the last week." or something like that.



The 'silent ban' is a bad idea, because however long you 'wait' allows people to use those cheats on the servers. You may catch more people, but that's just because you're catching the idiots. I think the silent ban would be very helpful, but you'd really have to watch how many people are using the hacks. Say, once it reaches 500 people who've earned the silent ban, then you initiate it. Because VAC is supposed to ban, not tag.

The mailing list aint telling in advance when VAC is going to be updated... always after.

And WTH if that damn cheater gets to use his cheat for one more day, there isnt an infinite number of cheaters and getting the most of em is better than having most cheaters simply checking the website where they got the hack to be 90% sure they wont get banned today. Having the silent ban idea implemented could bring some paranoia that could discourage most from using cheats, for the cheater not knowing whenever your hack passes VAC or not may make you think twice before you load that cheat.

[-:Nighthawk:-]

Yeah, I'm a fan of the silent-ban idea as well, simply because it's much more effective to ban a large group of cheaters once and for all, even at the price of allowing some cheating for a few days, than it is to ban a couple, have the warning get out, and have the rest turn them back off, only to try to cheat another day.



As far as the pay to play comment, it has been stated time and time again that that is only one OPTION of how to get VALVe content. The idea was that, if you choose, you could pay $10 a month to have access to ALL VALVe games, without paying to buy those games.



However, that's just an option. You'll still be able to drop your $50 or whatever at the local game shop, and not pay another nickel for the game as long as you own it.

[I2o[G]uE TacT-X]

if you're going to cheat, do it on unsecured servers. that's the message i'm getting from valve.

[Thortok2000]

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I think the 'silent ban' method would catch more cheaters, but the simple 'ban asap' method would prevent more cheaters.



Take some newbie who got owned 50 times in one day. He's never hacked before, but he's getting sick and tired and his frustration level has reached the roof. He wants to kill that annoying jerk that keeps headshotting him wherever he goes.



He looks up some hack sites. And here's the difference:



With Silent Bans, the sites will say the hack is clean. He'll hack for that one day against that one guy, throw away the hack, and then a few days later, be banned for a year.



Without Silent Bans, he'll be hard pressed to find a site that DOES say it's clean. He'll think twice about hacking at all to begin with, when he can't even find one that VAC doesn't already detect.



That's just my opinion, however. I do feel that someone who even hacks once deserves to be banned, but I'd rather prevent them from hacking even the once, in the first place. My opinion.



Considering that banning isn't the punishment it should be since it's easy to get another CD key (and with Steam, it can be a cd key of any of the products and you get all of them), prevention is, in my opinion, better than simply catching.



Also, as to the mailing list, every time they say they update it, the hack creators just get a chance to test their hack and mark their site as clean or not clean. If the hack creators can't sign up for the mailing list and get this information, then they have to check daily, and it'll put more effort into making sure their hack is clean, causing more CD key losses.



And as far as statistics, I'd be interested in seeing, out of all the unique SteamID's, how many have been banned for hacking, with each VAC update. Perhaps also how many new SteamIDs get registered after each VAC update. Just curious. Every time Blizzard bans some people, they give a figure, like 380,000, or so.

[shurcool]

Thortok2000, that's a good point. Or a nice try...



But I believe that that 'noob' should indeed be banned for a year (Why 1 year? I thought it was like 5 or 7?) because he *DID* cheat. It doesn't matter if he threw out the hack the next day (YEAH RIGHT, THIS WILL *SO* NOT HAPPEN - he'll be hooked on it, so why go back to 'noob' when you can be 'pro'?), because if you cheat, you're banned. It's not qualitative or quantitative. If someone cheated for 5 secs, does that make it ok? Yes? Well, what if he cheated for 6 seconds? A minute? A round? A CAL-m match? NO! It's not.



So, again, IMO, the above argument disqualifies Thortok2000's point.



Instead of letting these 'noobs' get hacks and get banned, you should instead mash it in their little brains that if they hack, even if for one millisecond, they *WILL BE BANNED FOREVER*. Kind of harsh, maybe, but effective and for a good purpose in the end.

[Stiffer]

jezus forgave mankind when he got crusified. CAN WE FORGIVE CHEATERS REALLY EVERYONE MAKES MISTAKES

[TuRd-BuRgLaR]

not ones who don't turn off caps lock =O

[dassbaba]

forking cheaters

[Aim@Me8284]

Really Important Issue here...

Will VAC ban for skins or custom sounds???

I skin a lot and change sounds, this is not cheating but I heard rumors that this could become bannable too, I really wish Valve would clear this issue up, come on cliffe please if you tell us where we stand on skinning then be so much appreciated :-)

[EviLuoTioN]

no



they do that and they loose literally thousands of players

[cliffe]

-:Nighthawk:- wrote..

Yeah, I'm a fan of the silent-ban idea as well, simply because it's much more effective to ban a large group of cheaters once and for all, even at the price of allowing some cheating for a few days, than it is to ban a couple, have the warning get out, and have the rest turn them back off, only to try to cheat another day.



As far as the pay to play comment, it has been stated time and time again that that is only one OPTION of how to get VALVe content. The idea was that, if you choose, you could pay $10 a month to have access to ALL VALVe games, without paying to buy those games.



However, that's just an option. You'll still be able to drop your $50 or whatever at the local game shop, and not pay another nickel for the game as long as you own it.

You guys are assuming we don't already do that.