Announcement

**Deletable_Man** · 03-18-2004, 07:05 AM

http://www.ventrilo.com/announce.php?220_changes

You all should read some of this mess, man. Crazy things doing down in Ventrilo land. :X

Or maybe I was bored and it was interesting. Who knows?

**Supersonic^** · 03-18-2004, 10:05 AM

wooohoooo! finally mouse4+5 work!

You could trick them into working before, but this is still long-awaited.

**Fi|tH** · 03-18-2004, 11:03 AM

wow, f**k ventrilo...

i dont wanna hve to pay all that $$

**Spartibus** · 03-18-2004, 12:10 PM

filth, in the end the client doesn't pay anything extra.

you either:

a) host privately and get 8 slots for free

b) use an old version and get 200 slots free at the cost of new features and bugfixes

c) buy from a legitimate buisness and get 200 slots

there have been legimitate hosts before this update, so you wont be seeing any rate hikes unless they decide to charge more than they should be in the first place

**Ava3ar** · 03-18-2004, 12:15 PM

lol my company even does ventrilo sponsorship, infact most buisness's will do, due to the low cost

**Thortok2000** · 03-18-2004, 12:25 PM

Hmm. I wonder how many 'unintended victims' there were, those who used large servers but in absolutely no way charged their users for them. I feel sorry for them. Maybe, with proof, they can get a license for a free 'pro' version. Hopefully so.

But as for people who are making money off of ventrillo's software and not paying them for it, screw you.

**Dynasty** · 03-18-2004, 01:37 PM

Limit it to 8 slots, just for a public server? I think that's kind of rediculous, especially knowing the fact that most people have ventrilo servers where there are FAR more than 8 people in it at a time.

**Dirk** · 03-18-2004, 02:18 PM

Which was against the agreement. :/ gg pure-voice I <3 them

-dp-

**sushi** · 03-18-2004, 02:25 PM

Ventrilo isn't the only voice software around. My group uses it because it's probably the best, but limiting to 8 means a pretty serious hit for the end user.

**^.j()$h.^** · 03-18-2004, 02:27 PM

Good game Ventrilo, you are weak. I'll stay to the old version, forget about upgrading. If they think they're going to a measly dime out of me, they're mistaken.

**MikeJ** · 03-18-2004, 03:23 PM

I recommend sticking with ventrilo 2.1 dudes.

**abel** · 03-18-2004, 06:55 PM

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yea.. whose honestly going to upgrade. although i agree with their reasons for it, really going to cause most people to just never upgrade.. ever.

**Gpig** · 03-18-2004, 09:31 PM

Our clan has our own free vent and we let friends use it for their enemy territory and MMORPG stuff, it's an older version and it's free, are we still fine or do we have to just limit it to 8 people(what would amount to only our clan)?

**Thortok2000** · 03-18-2004, 10:24 PM

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The idea here is that you're only paying if you're using Ventrillo to make money.

Read that sentence five times. The end user does not have to pay. If you offer it to your clan for free, you don't have to pay. If you offer it to others for free, you don't have to pay. But the instant you start charging people to use your Ventrilo server, then you have to pay a very small fee to Ventrilo anyway, much, much less than you'd be getting from your customers anyway.

Another point is that the common user-created server (remember, this is a server that you did NOT pay for, this is one that you are making ON YOUR OWN COMPUTER) cannot really have more than 8 people connected anyway. On a cable/dsl connection, they said that more than 8 people can't really be connected with any stability, and this is brought out even more when the host server computer is also playing a game as well.

I for one read that entire page about why the 8 user limitation and why they had to do it. And I agree with them. Anyone who doesn't agree with them should at least give them the courtesy of hearing what they have to say on the subject. This is only part of it, but probably the one you should most read:

The following are some of the proposed changes we tossed around when trying to decide how to limit the public version of the server.

1. Not releasing a public version at all and force people to rent servers. Actually, it didn't take long for us to reject this as an option because this would prevent people from evaluating the system. Plus, as I already stated, we wanted home / private users to continue having the ability to run their private servers for friends and family to use.

2. Slots limited to 6. While this would have been more then sufficient for the average user, we decided to limit it to 8 slots instead. This way most home users could figure out the hard way that their Cable/DSL modems can't handle 8 people on the server and be able to play online computer games at the same time.

3. Slots limited to 10 (or 12). We rejected this because a hosting company could potentially take advantage of this and give a 10 man ventrilo server on each of his machines to at least one paying customer.

4. Missing features. We toyed around with the idea of limiting features in the public version as well. Like not allowing the new cross channel and user-to-user communications, no paging, no Muted/Queued channels, etc. In the end this idea was rejected because we wanted the public version to be feature complete for evaluation purposes. It was also decided that the 8 slot limit would accomplish more to bring an end to the illegal hosting, and crippling the features would have accomplished nothing.

It all boils down to the fact that with 75% of all businesses selling Ventrilo servers not paying the tiny license fee, they had to do something, and this was what they chose to do.

These guys don't just write software to give it away for free, you know. I think it's quite fair and honest for them to allow anyone to use it for free. However, as soon as you or any business starts offering Ventrilo servers for payment...

Imagine you owned a really good tractor, or car, or whatever. And somebody wants to borrow it, so you say "Sure". Then, next thing you know, this guy is making hundreds of dollars by renting out your tractor or whatever to other people. So you say, "give me ten cents for every person you rent the tractor to." Considering that he's making hundreds of dollars anyway, was this really a big deal?

75% of the companies were saying "Yes" to that question, and refusing to pay the ten cents. So Ventrilo is basically taking their tractor back.

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