Aztec Overhaul

[Spedmaster]

simonmobile wrote..

it doesnt go up to 4

"But, you see, mine goes up to 11."



(someone had to make the joke)

[narby]

masterying01 wrote..

the map is already t sided with the new updates.....now he's going to take out the lightning.



if a t has a good awper in bridge room, a ct won't peak bridge unless he's retarded...now, t's can walk bridge and easily take over b.



everything should be left as it is.......leave the lightning, leave the rain, leave the mist................and just make cl_weather 0 legal in leagues like cal cause no one has weather on anyways and cal aint going to turn over a match because 1 player didn't have weather on..

Odd, since before the spawns were moved 5 meters aztec was considered the most CT sided map in counter-strike.

sheardjr wrote..

Why not just make de_aztec_cal? Then the CALers can stfu and the pubbers can keep all the effects :)

I considered this, I don't like having two versions on the level to maintain, however.

[stevomanevo]

narby wrote..

Odd, since before the spawns were moved 5 meters aztec was considered the most CT sided map in counter-strike.



I considered this, I don't like having two versions on the level to maintain, however.

I aswell considered counter-terrorist to be easy enough already.

I use the thunder to my advantage as terrorist alot in pubs.

In matches it's smart to have everyone set off thunder at bridge and jump in water and have the bomb go DD.

I think people just need to be more strategic or just watch more cal movies.

[.b0w. Bushwacker]

Spartibus wrote..

without league play cs would probably be dead, now go cry about the possible changes some more.

no.

[-:Nighthawk:-]

narby, correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't CAL allowing cl_weather 0 remove the demo recording + smoke problem, or is the client still computing some of that stuff, experiencing FPS drops, and just not showing the effects onscreen?



If CAL changing their policy on cl_weather wouldn't fix things, then I can understand the motivation to remove the weather. If it would fix things, though, then I really think it's sad to let a stubborn organization downgrade the CS experience for the vast majority of players who aren't even in their league.

[xlokix]

Thanks to clan "sClam" for thier help

[McDeth]

Uhh, about damn time. I bearly get 50 fps with a 3200+ and a 9800 Pro on a 4 year old game. Nuf said./

[myname321]

Funny, i have a 2.2 gig celeron and a radeon 9100, the fps is in the vicinity of 70-100 fps while playing on aztec with cl_weather turned on.

Turning it off only gives me 5-8 fps.

[Buddah]

-:Nighthawk:- wrote..

I don't particularly like seeing things get taken out for the sake of league players, when honestly league play is still by far the minority of players.

This is a point that I agree with. I think some of the problem is teh fact that they scream the loudest for what they want.

[I2o[G]uE TacT-X]

i think the t's have a less incentive to rush than in 1.5 aztec.

[Mr. T]

narby wrote..

The problem is not the level, or the speed of the PC but a combination of things. Mainly, demo recording (which is required during all matches) takes a LOT out of your framerate when certain other conditions are there, such as weather and smoke.

but the weather is super cool

put the lightning back, it was funny having a lag spike in the big room

[-:Nighthawk:-]

I guess I find the complaints odd, because I get 60-85fps (I cap it at 85) on aztec at 1280x960 with the weather effects enabled on an Athlon 900mhz with a GF2 and 160megs of PC133 ram. Apparently some other people have more serious configuration problems to address with their own machines rather than just with this map.

[Thortok2000]

It really isn't your card or processor, I've noticed that when it comes to smokes or weather, it's your MEMORY (of your graphics card).



Think of the memory of your graphics card setting your maximum FPS whereas things such as processor set the minimum FPS.



I had a semi-sucky computer, but the graphics card had 128 MB of ram just for the graphics alone, and smokes were absolutely no problem. It'd still get a slight down time with the weather, but only in areas where there was a whole lot of it, as in when not only your immediate area but also long distance. My framerate would dip until I ducked indoors, in which case it'd be fine again.



I haven't tried playing in rain on this computer (32MB graphics card), but smokes by themselves bring the FPS down to less than 5, especially when I'm close to them, such as running through them or in them. And that's without recording a demo or having rain...



I'm with Nighthawk. If turning off the weather would solve CAL's problems, then screw CAL's stubborn-ness. If not recording a demo as you play would fix the FPS issues, then don't worry about it either. But if the map still has FPS issues, especially to the point where some areas of the map give significantly better FPS than other areas of the map, then something needs fixing.



Let me say that again: If different parts of the map have significantly different FPS with the same settings on the same machine (and those same areas of the map continuing to have this effect even on different machines), then the map needs fixing.



But I'd rather not play Aztec anyway. I have no idea what the place even is. It doesn't even look like a museum or anything, it's just this random...place. The only atmosphere that aztec has at all is the weather. =/



Another reason I dislike Aztec is because it's simply played way too often. And it becomes awp map after a few rounds and continues to be awp map until the map changes; especially on servers that disable the shield.



I also find it somewhat interesting that a terrorist running towards the A bombsite can reach it before any CT can. The only way he can be stopped is from CT's going between the bombsites, in that middle area, and shooting him as he comes out of the double doors. But if the CT instead goes from spawn through the doors to A, the T can get there first, especially if he runs quickly and spawns close to it.

[bcKP]

Riffz wrote..

how about more fair instead of fairer?

fairer is a real adjective

[[ACS]Devil_Dog]

Solid Snake 88 wrote..

Wow, thats pathetic. Lessening a map by removing good features just for the sake of some little whny clan players?! If you can't handle simple weather effects on a 5+ year old engine, then you need to upgrade your computer and shut up. Complaining about, "omg my FPS drops on Aztec, WTF it ruined my perfect 1337 h4x score" makes you no better than the people who say, "This new version sucks, I can't bunnyhop anymore. CS is for nubs now lolol."

Pathetic I tell you. I'm so tired of this "PRO GAMER CAL-I YEAH YEAH" nonsense.

Bravo. I like the pseudorealism of CS, and dummying down a map for a few measly fps (i get 99 on aztec btw) is excessively weak. The thunder isnt excessively loud either.