Counter-Hack Demteam

[naem]

I fail to grasp the point of this. You're supposed to grab the demo of someone you played against in a match and send it to Counter-Hack? If someone is hacking they are not going to send you a demo of them hacking, unless they are forced to. And that is something only a league can do, because they can threaten suspension or ejection from the league. Even then there are still people who claim they didn't record, the demo was lost, etc, when a league asks for a demo, so I really don't see any way Counter-Hack is going to get more than a handful of demos of hackers in leagues.



And let's not forget the fact that pretty much every reputable league I can think of has their own demo reviewing team. That team directly influences what will happen to someone who they feel is hacking. What, though, can the Counter-Hack demo reviewing team do besides say "yeah he's cheating tough luck?"

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Spartibus wrote..

sorry but reviewing 15 demo's isn't anything.



you need people with experience in the clan scene and people who are skilled in the game. that's not to say someone who sucks can't tell who's hacking and who isn't, but someone with more skill is more likely to know what skill actually is and wont go screaming "hacker!" on random/really good shots.



Another good selection would be from ex-cheaters. why? because having experience in cheating allows you to look at it from a different perspective. i'm not talking about knowing what cheats do and how they work, but people that have actually used them for some time and have since turned clean.

A lot of members on the Counter-Hack teams are in clans, including myself. Many of them are also ex-cheaters, or ex-cheat coders. A few of us also already help out leagues as Anti-Cheat admins.

[efficient]

Yeah, I fully support what Counter-Hack is doing for the community. I hope this project turns out being a success.

[oldskool]

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I think that it is very easy to tell when someone is hacking. I have been playing this game since before Christmas 1999... that's right... 4 years. That is alot of time playing one game. I have been a server admin for 6 clans... Way before CAL ever introduced CS into it's history. (I have never and will never participate in CAL... just my choice... I play for fun.) Before Unreal Tournament and before Quake 3. I have seen hacks from the beginning until now. Invisibility and skin hacks were the first I personally witnessed and I have seen some really fucked up cheating ever since.



I would like to thank most hackers... really. They have improved my game. I recognize the hackers... I count my fragging of the hacker as a trophy... It takes real skill to make a hacker accuse you of hacking... LOL. The only hackers I hate are the ones that are just there to fuck up the game... raging is what they call it. fu myg0t.



RECOGNIZE A WALLHACKER:

If you are spectating someone first person and they shoot people that they can't possibly see through a wall... well... that is obvious. You can usually tell a wallhacker in that context. However, there are smarter hackers out there that know that they are being watched and will claim that they heard their victim. If you are an admin... where headphones and you can tell if they heard their victim. I always play with headphones.



RECOGNIZE AN AIMBOT: I have recently seen quite a few idiots that have like an automatic lock on all enemies that are within a certain distance of them. These idiots are more than obvious. It will appear like there crosshair is glued to the target. You can also tell an aimbot by how the crosshair snaps to the victim and just hangs in one spot while they spray full auto or jumps immediately to the next target after the first one perishes with the same telltale signs. Watch for the victim to jump and how the crosshair follows the target with an inhuman exactness. NOTE: I get alot of headshots and am accused of hacking ALOT. However... I have never seen anyone get headshots 80-100% of the time that I believe are pure skill. If you are just badass like that... you should get a life... LOL. In general.... noones accuracy should be inhuman. If you watch them shoot at their target and the bullets are hitting in approximately the same spot every time... I can almost guarantee that that person is hacking. Most players will pepper the background with shots. Last but not least... the best tell-all is when they are aiming at one victim and when they shoot the crosshair immediatley jumps to a different target without shooting at the original target... HAHAHA!!! Stupid noob hacker... LOL.



If you are a good player you can pretty much tell when someone is hacking. I admit that I have probably banned good players that looked like they were hacking but weren't... but... I guess there is a price to pay for being good. I have been banned before... but it was always by some noob admin that could pay for a server. The point is that it is HIS/HER server. If they don't want me to play there.... oh well. NEXT! Don't like it? Rent your own server. If you aren't a jerk admin and your server isn't laggy... people will come to play. Simple as that.



Last but not least. Measure the average skill of your server. Noone wants to play on a server that they get owned on. If you have a player that is dominating the game they will make people leave. Fuck their feelings. They are fucking up the balance of your game and damaging the fun. They should find a server to play on that is more of a match for their skill. Ask them to leave because they are disrupting the balance of your game (they are too good for the other players)... if they don't leave... ban them for a day.



just my 2 cents....

[AviReX]

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peaple who dissed my post and said that i was mentally young just cant face the truth. Hacks are more implented to CS than you could imagine.how the fuck can you reconize a wall hacker who activates his cheat just for a couple of secounds to know where aproxmitaivly the enemys are on a demo.Most hackers are smarter than a noobish 12 years old and won't start shootin at a wall making HS it aint that simple i'm sorry, they will only locate you and take advantage of that by trying to sneak behind or suprise you.That suck.



"and who would worry about a game as old as CS "said someone ..

yah CS is only the most played online game in the world dumb ass

[Jason X]

"Who watches Demos: The question of intregrity is a serious issue. I have seen several comments on CSNation about this topic, written by people who obviously do not know about Counter-Hack or its staff. To be a part of the DemTeam you must be formally trained on how to spot cheaters. While in many cases it is quite obvious, there are some in which it is not. People interested in joining will have to review several demos, some of which will have cheaters, others will not. If they cannot make the distinction between the two, they will not be allowed to join the DemTeam."

That was quoted from DetoxDropout of Counter-Hack, May as well bring this to attention, since most of you don't understand.



And Efficient - Thanks for the support, and kudos to you!

[tspoon1066]

What if a skilled player decides to use a WH? Instead of shooting through walls at them and/or pointing their gun at them, he just knows where they are, and uses that knowledge to his advantage. This does nothing to counter that.



No one in a decent clan is gonna be ass-mongerish enough to stupidly shoot through walls and/or snap their aim at someone.

[naem]

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tspoon1066 wrote..

No one in a decent clan is gonna be ass-mongerish enough to stupidly shoot through walls and/or snap their aim at someone.

I guess you didn't see the demo of the cal-(m?) playoffs with lain cheating. I'm talking about "oh, he was behind the wall?? ****" cheating.

[keyser_au]

lol.



AOCAB who will be running the testing/course, we have a proven track record, the test doesnt only give results we follow up with feedback and various info packs on the physics of the game and various characteristics associated with various hacks. If CH decide to run their panel like our Review Process then it will be 100% fool proof, and with the internal programs being used it will be a step forward for admins.

[scopedog]

I noticed a lot of you guys are confused on how our team will be viewing these demos. And I completely understand were you guys are coming from when you say "what is Counter-Hack doing that makes them think their demo review team could do better then all the league review teams?"



The answer is our team is only looking for the best of the best. Once we have acquired a well sized team; the team will be tested, re-tested, and tested again. Each member will be required to go through a trial period even AFTER they have already been accepted into the DemTeam. The trial period will consist of real reviewing but WITHOUT the technology I have mentioned in the original press release.



This new technology will change demo reviewing and anti-cheating period. The only hint I will give is that a lot of statistics will be involved in the programming. More information will be posted about this technology once we have tested and proven that it truly works.



Until then please be sure to check our site daily as we are constantly trying to keep all of you updated in the latest Anti-Cheat developments. Plus, as quoted many times before, the best Anti-Cheat tool is NOT a program but a good admin. Education is the key to a cheat free environment.



Thank you.

[Spartibus]

I still think what you guys are doing is wrong.



scopedog: You really think the leagues don't get the "best of the best?"

[scopedog]

Funny how people can pull out one sentence from an entire article... What I meant by the "best of the best" is not that we are any better then anyone around us when it comes to the admin skills of detecting cheats. BUT with our technology plus, let me rephrase my words, our AWESOME team — I can assure you we will be the Best of the Best.

[quxex1hi]

oldskool wrote..

I think that it is very easy to tell when someone is hacking. I have been playing this game since before Christmas 1999... that's right... 4 years. That is alot of time playing one game. I have been a server admin for 6 clans... Way before CAL ever introduced CS into it's history. (I have never and will never participate in CAL... just my choice... I play for fun.)

Why don't you just shut up now. Thanks.

[AviReX]

naem wrote..

I guess you didn't see the demo of the cal-(m?) playoffs with lain cheating. I'm talking about "oh, he was behind the wall?? ****" cheating.

depends on the game play style. I m the kind of guy who is really agessive and shot at walls and dont give a shit about accuracy.

yah never in your long cs experience enticipated someone.Like in a spot where someone almost always camp you jsut shot there in case theres someone? Or u just run with out any thought until YOU SEE or HEAR someone? im not the saying the guy wasent cheating but yo cant always be sure about it. And you are saying Peaple are cheating IN cal !!! play off !!! ??? damn imagine if peaple are cheating in cal how much hacks are spread in the community.



Think a couple of l33t demo viewers are gonna discourage hackers lol.

what if you cut innocents ?? what if a demo viewers just hate a guy and declares him hackers. fuck that.what about OGL , proving grounds , UGS other league ??? the'll start their own demo recording team yo?? what about pubs !!!!

someone said VAC is good . hmmm you think ?? vac update comes out 2 weeks later little cheat update comes out fixing it. Hackers are working harder than their damn software corporation united.

VALVe has to work full time on this damn it.And don't thell me they don't have the money to do it. CS , HL now hl2 CZ comming CZfor xbox , steam will finish by generating money 2. They are RICH ( and we lost the guns real names in buy menus for copyright LOL).HOw many HL and cs reatail copyes sold already lol? If they dont care about the cheats they should write its not cheat protected on the fucking product and on their web site IN BIG RED TEXT and stop taking us for fools.

[Spartibus]

scopedog wrote..

Funny how people can pull out one sentence from an entire article... What I meant by the "best of the best" is not that we are any better then anyone around us when it comes to the admin skills of detecting cheats. BUT with our technology plus, let me rephrase my words, our AWESOME team -- I can assure you we will be the Best of the Best.

Article? You call 3-4 small, unintelligent paragraphs an article?



You have no technology. Look at the facts here. You will not be able to gather any information from a demo that will tell you a person is cheating with any software or "technology." You will only be able to watch the demo and make a decision based on VISUALS and SOUND. Counter-Hack is in my eyes not qualified to do this, and also very wrong for trying to weasel their way into a community.