review: cs-classic

[Zoster]

Well, i cant bunnyjump or something like that, i have never tried cheat or even seen cheat running.

I first startet to play CS 4 weeks before CS 1.3



But i LOVE this mod, if i had tried CS in 5.x i would not have played action quake 2 or something else, but CS.... but aq2 was going down and i was looking for a new game, CS was nice but it has never been so much fun as aq2, the reason: gameplay... i like that the game is fast! and this classic is. i think the maker have done a great work, who cares if it does not look like the old CS, i give a shit. Cause this game rocks

[mouth]

Zoster wrote..

I am the embodiment of why this mod sucks.

[Markiss614]

For everyone who hates CS-Classic and wants to play the closest thing to beta5.2 without downgradeing CS, check out Retro CS v2.0

http://csoldskool.cjb.net

[Brutus]

rizzuh wrote..

Gooseman made almost all of the skins and models in CS-Classic.



You seem to confuse "reporting" and "reviewing." Like three people have disagreed with me and all have said I'm biased. That makes no sense. What am I biased to? This is not competition to CS, I don't work for Natural Selection. I merely wrote up my thoughts on the mod. If this mod were extremely fun I would express that and embrace the mod. It isn't.



What you mean by saying that I'm biased is that you like the mod. Why don't you just write that?



I think it's sad that you didn't visit our site more often based on your prejudice of me. I encourage you to come back frequently, we post a lot of great content and most of it isn't touched my scorning hand of bias.



For the majority of you who had a good time with the review I'm glad I made a lot of you laugh :x It was fun writing the review and obviously it wasn't meant to be professional. I felt ranting on and on about this mod would be best with sarcasm and humor rather than repeating the faults thirty times (which I did anyone, only in a funny way). Or maybe it wasn't funny at all and I lose at the internet.



You should write the SAT.

Rizzuh, your comments explaining the difference between a review and news is biased.

[mark5000]

To they guy who said cs is becoming more realistic I dont know what your talking about. Just cus they stop bunnyhoppers it means the mod is becoming ultra realistic??



CS's realism hasnt changed much over the betas at all, in fact its one of the only factors that has remained the same, a few decent shots from any gun will kill you and being dead isn't as much fun as it is in quake or sof.



CS was and is so bloody great because it found the perfect balance of realism that gave atmosphere and a sense of place with great gameplay. CS is so tense because when you die, you stay dead, or your entire team is riding on your performance or whatever.



If they made it so that all the guns were half as weak and you could take shitloads of fire like in quake games would that improve gameplay? No.



The realism level in cs is just right and thats why its done so bloody well, balance of ease of play and realism and atmosphere is what makes cs so great and is why its is more popular than any other multiplayer fps thats ever been made. And it hasn't bloody changed from beta 1 to version 1.5 thats why we all stil play it.



Just give us some new maps please valve, and no super large sprawling towns, just some good old school warehouses and shit like that please :)

[Maruchan1012]

My client.dll is missing for csclassic anyone have any idea this is fucked up i wanna play 1.1!!!

[Shifty_Eyes]

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Why cant someone make a 1.3 conversion that isnt.. THIS?! *CRIES* MAKE ONE FOR ME! NOW!



I;m with Rizzuh, Ray gun is the answer. Wait, WHY WASNT A RAY GUN IN THIS?! That would have easily added a point to the score.



"If this mod were extremely fun I would express that and embrace the mod. "



Your grammar is biased.

[DayTripper]

just sendin a message to reply to mark5000 comments (#169).



I agree that CS does have realism but also a blend of fiction, making it very enjoyable, but i do not agree with your comment on how CS has not changed from beta 1 to 1.5. Ok ok, are you seriously telling me that CS has not changed in terms of gameplay and the percentage of realism........through all these years..what the hell do you think gooseman and cliff have been working their asses off for. Also i know a large CS community that fell apart when CS brought in a number of things changing the whole ooriginal expierience! e.g. the microphones.ok they may make teamplay much better but for the first few weeks all we ever heard was ...can you hear me...can you hear me??? plus the extra lag...anyone ever heard of typing a message. Sorry but alot of things have changed..for the good or worse...i would vote for the second. Im sorry that people who love CS 1.5 has to listen but we are not all fans of the pointless changes and tweaks.

Your last comment " give us some warehouses" no thankyou...if you mean a sort of assault....no thankyou. Assault has to be nominated for the crappiest map ever, i mean CT's can get to T's in about 3 seconds (literaly) and the quality of mapping and textures.....dontn go there. As a mapper i can genarally say what a pap map.



After all this criticism i atill play it..becuase it is the best...but it still has faults like all games....ONe thing i agree is that we need more maps....get rid of de_Nuke, Cs_Assault and give us quality relaistic well mapped maps...

[Sa-Raven]

I just don't get this CSC. I like 1.5. The CSC is just messed up.

[mark5000]

Dude im a mapper too man i got a map on the PCGamer UK coverdisks ok. When I said some more warehouses i just mean the old school style maps i was talking about in other posts. The textures on assault suck i know, and i think they should give the map an overhaul (which i said in another post.) Read the big long one i put in on page four you'll see what i was refencing really.



I didnt say cs hasn't changed man, far from it. I said the realism hasn't changed much in that a few shots from any gun will kill you. I said it was just about the only factor that had remained the same. You still die as fast in 1.5 as you did in beta 1, which is the main element of realism and what seperates it from other games like quake.



I never said cs hasnt changed, im not stupid. The voice com is very useful for clan games anyway, why type and leave yourself vulnerable when u can simply talk. In clan game people actually use TEAMPLAY, a rare word now i know. Extra features dont hurt anybody, but some real changes like a few new maps which arent dust clones or super large towns, or some new weapons or changes too them would be nice.



They should change the Sigg552 and G3 sniper rifles, cs could really do with a repeating accurate rifle with normal rifle damage. And the dual berettas and ump? What were they thinking, why put in new guns if theyre so terrible no one will use them.



I think valve is scarred of us you know. I think theyre scared of the cs comunity hating changes such as introducing or changing weapons or new style or gameplay maps.



They're scarred of what we're gonna think, and I think thats why we've got lots of little extras and tweaks instead of things like new weapons or significantly different maps or gameplay modes.



Come on valve, get some guts to at least PROPOSE some new stuff.

[DayTripper]

sorry mark5000....got the wrong end of the stick.......i agree with you now about the dust clones and shit....but the youngsters who dont see the quality of maps or how long it took to make, or the countless little details that us mappers take note and love...its sad but true....i bet ya thousands of ppl sitting at home would love to se more dust and more assaults.....damn.....its not what i want..and probably alot of you reading this too...but not everyones the same......some people dont speak out they just sit there and play the shit.......man valve needs to sort themselves out..instaed of playing paper basketball with the bin in the corner of there office.....

Maps like storm..sorry but what the hell was Gooseman and Cliffe thinking......its vast..its shit and the lighting....dont get me started.........somethings went horribly wrong........and the fans are slowly seeing the mistakes and battle scars........WE NEED MORE MAPS.....MORE DETAIL TO WEAPONS.....but keeping it in the CS nutshell.

[mark5000]

Yeah your right, all the new maps which i tend to dislike, the big towns a such are actually mapping masterpeices and I can appreciate that. The details, the textures and the layout and architecture of some of the newer maps is absolutely incredible. I'd just like to see cs get some of that old school feel back with some maps done in the old style.



Valve needs to give us some new content, not just busting new features onto the game. What is wrong with adding more weapons? Personally id like to see more T or CT only weapons, and making them different types too. So the sides have slightly different play styles and arments, rarther than just having the same gun with a different skin almost.



Come on valve do summit new, cs CAN get better they just gotta make sure they dont start doing things like adding crossbows and blowguns like the poeple who were doing Conditon zero lol...

[bLaZiN_BuDDaH]

i dink diz cs cloneing iz BS!!!! 1.5 iz just fine... every1 iz already used 2 it.

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and if u miss da jumping so much just go 2 severs dat have 1.5 w/ 1.2 jumping.... besides cs was supposed 2 be realistic.. if ur jumping like a manic it dunt look reeeeeeeal

[DayTripper]

besides cs was supposed 2 be realistic.. if ur jumping like a manic it dunt look reeeeeeeal



erm....................erm.....................
.....no.



I understand ya point........(quote above) ...comment #177........but still i don't think they have captured the jumping......put yourself in the followings shoes:



You have just caught sight of something shimmering in the distance.......you cannot be sure what it is....you load your M4A1, ready to squeeze the trigger anytime...your eyes dart about......suddenly in the distance a shape glimmers........you realize its the sun reflecting of the scope of a sniper rifle....Awp or Scout..it doesn't make a difference.......there is a ear piercing shot...you jump..miraculously you are not hit....you jump again........untouched.......your third attempt...you cannot move...the height of your jump is rapidly decreased.....whats happened.....the CT has no time to think....a huge force impacts into his head....he falls to the floor..his clothes soaked in arterial red..........Terrorists Win !......



hopefully this has proved my point......the jumping in 1.5 is not realistic........its a sad attempt.....at reaching the goal of realism...

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if we want realism we should start simple............. e.g. when running backwards.....we should slow down......etc............... thats what i want to see.

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i have a great idea. Why dont all the mappers here get together and map the best map ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!......ok ...it doesent work like that........and i think thats whats wrong with the quality of maps now. I am not talking about official maps but the dozens of unseen maps that are waiting silently in line to be downloaded and evaluated. 9 out of 10 maps you download are pure shit !! i am someone who likes going on maps and checking them out....hopefully getting inspiration and ideas for my future projects...i see non of this on these maps...why???...........ppl think they can make a map in minutes..

Rizzuh, you are hairy...and narby, of course you won't go back.

Your mapping is extremely sexy (I'm playin' aztec now)



gotta love windowed mode @ 800x600