CPL 1.3/1.4 poll

[Shifty_Eyes]

Although I had to... trudge through the spelling mistakes and lack of periods, that's quite a disturbing find. You aren't ALLOWED to make 1.3 servers? That's the dumbest thing I've heard in awhile. Dangerous move Valve.

[{AGB}HolyApe]

You guys talk too much lol



The game isn't realistic, they don't do much thing to make it realistic, yeah sure the jumping thing got realistic... well actually... NO.

-If i had a glock, i could stupidly jump around easily, its not that heavy. (or a freaking knife, we are slowed down after 1 jump even with a knife, wtf is that ? are they trying to represent a big fatty geek?)

-I can EASILY make at least 20 jumps without being slowed down, yah ok you geek guys can't jump too much because your heart will pump bad BUT those guys we are using as character are suposed to be trained and could do more than 20 freaking jump, thats reality.



-And with reality, it wouldn't take 1million headshot to kill a guy with a glock, only one.

-If you get shot, you would bleed, thats reality.

-Normally, you would have stamina.

-A REAL human doesn't have a health bar...

-Cash just don't pop like that from the nowhere

-You don't respawn in real life



Ok maybe im going too far with my arguments lol

But anyway



Even if it was meant to be realistic, IT CANT BE.

You want a realistic game, go play something else and come in here talking trash about us players that liked 1.3 just because you are a newbie and this game is getting newbie oriented.



Computer games will never be realistic enough to be like in real life.

Please don't compare that to real life anymore, its a game.

Fuck reality, Gameplay is what a game is all about.



Hahaha my post is so funny, don't take it seriously... you all suck. lol

Ok ok i shut up.

[midknight]

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B2K_J_McClane wrote..



heh, first of all, yes you can jump around with 60lbs of gear but your not going to do it unless there is an obstacle or there is a purpose. Also when you land the jump your not going to continue at the same speed. If it were a bigger jump you would even need to absorb your landing and thus stopping completely for a very noticeable amount of time. I support the new jumping because watching people hop around all the time just got old real fast. It's damn annoying. No grunt or CT, no matter how good of shape their in, are going hop around while going from one location to another. Ever watch combat missions with seals, swat and rangers? Id like to see a swat team throw on their bunny ears and hop to their destination. I would agree with taking off the delay on the first jump, but more then that I would have to disagree because for each extra jump they allow people to perform that's another extra jump your going to see people doing for no reason at all while running around.

Well, while I agree that IRL troops don't jump all over the place, going by your logic, no gun should be able to be fired before any contact. I mean, do you see swat teams tking each other? Or randomly firing rounds while on the way to the mission objective? Bottom line, it's a game, people should be able to do whatever they want to have fun. If someone jumping ten thousand times for no reason makes you boil in anger, please look around you and realize that it's just a game. People play games to have fun. Not to train for a mission to assassinate Saddamn Hussein.



I'm not sure if I posted this earlier too, but my biggest complaint about 1.4 is not the jumping issue. FFS my grandma could walk faster than the sorry excuses of seal team members in CS now.



And this, I've been complaining about ever since CS 1.0. Since when did people prefer to SQUAT and fire their weapons over KNEELING? It looks retarded, it doesn't make sense, but Valve forced it down on us anyway. Ever since then, whatever semblance of realism this game had had been restricted to the weapon models and NOTHING ELSE. NOT EVEN THE MAPS.

[Barrid]

My issues with 1.4 stem (mostly) from 2 things, player speed and jumping.



I am not a bhopper by any stretch of the imagination. I jump to get over, across or around things. The short walls on de_dust for example. Jumping slows you down so much that its faster to walk around obstacles than to jump over them. The first jump is quote bogus as well. Three rounds into a match I jumped over the railing coming out of the CT spawn on de-dust. I slowed down. Why? Because it wasn't my first jump. It was, in actuality, my 4th. Valve allows your first jump of a MAP to be full-speed. After that, any jump you do makes you slow down. I get full health back, but not my stamina in between rounds? Nice.



As for the stamina, why not have a roundtimer attached to the jump function? Press the button and 5 seconds later you are allowed to press it again...it takes away bhopping while still allowing us who prefer to jump over things to do so.



I'm going to contradict myself for a moment. I really think jumping should be restored to normal. Have you guys tried to climb into the window to the appartments on cs_italy lately? Or on cs_office? Its pratcically impossible to climb anything with any semblance of speed. A fast rushing T takes you out every time as you shamble up into a window. cs_office only has 2 viable entrances now, bot are stairs. Scrap the jump or scrap a classic map.



Secondly, speed. How many of us have just sat out the rest of a round as a CT when you hear the bomb get planted? I'm never close enough to defuse unless I was guarding the site in the first place. Running and walking are rediculously slow. Up bomb timers or speed up the game.



Also the game is just plain boring. Running slower than a Baywatch Lifeguard is definately exciting gameplay. I fell like I'm playing DoD. Thanks a frigging lot Valve.

[KGarcia]

Barrid wrote..

Also the game is just plain boring. Running slower than a Baywatch Lifeguard is definately exciting gameplay. I fell like I'm playing DoD. Thanks a frigging lot Valve.

umm, running slower? or do you mean walking? Running is fine

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{AGB}HolyApe wrote..

Hahaha my post is so funny, don't take it seriously... you all suck. lol

Ok ok i shut up.

basicly you wasted your time because you posted the same thing someone already had posted :P

midknight wrote..

I'm not sure if I posted this earlier too, but my biggest complaint about 1.4 is not the jumping issue. FFS my grandma could walk faster than the sorry excuses of seal team members in CS now.

agreed... very slow and boring.

[archon777]

Fact: According to the CSNation and the CPL polls, more than 58% of CS players prefer CS 1.3 over 1.4.



First off, to those of you who want to play CS 1.4 as it was released because you find it more fun you have my full support. Play 1.4 as is and have fun, no one is stopping you. However, don't demand that the rest of us, the majority, accept your choice of rules or quit playing. We are not wrong to want the old walking, weapon switching, and jumping. That attitude is undemocratic and un-American as I will attempt to explain.



Choice is what makes America a democracy and the strongest country on the planet! Coke or Pepsi, paper or plastic, country or rock, these are all choices. They all split our community into groups, but they all strength our free society. Choice is freedom.



Rizzuh, the CS development team, and other fascists have been dictating their version of fun (1.4) to the whole community with excuses like, "It's our vision of CS" and "Providing choices will create a split that will weaken the CS community."



They are wrong. Does mp_friendlyfire weaken the CS community? No, it draws in both kinds of people, those that want to play with friendly fire on and those that want friendly fire off. A lot of players play both ways, depending on what they feel like at the moment. Does having Half-Life AND Quake or a CS mod AND a DOD mod weaken the gaming community? No, variety draws in more players and gives them more options so they are less likely to get bored and quit.



Rizzuh also bad-mouthed any league that chooses to use a plug-in to change 1.4 because it would create a split community. If we followed that poor logic, we would have to say that because the NFL, the NCAA, and high school leagues all have different rules, they are all weakening the football playing community. That's ridiculous and you know it. The leagues choose rules that best fit the players and their style of play.



Both sides of this debate deserve respect and the right to choose. Those who refuse to give us that choice on either side, are bad people. Anyone who thinks that limiting our right to choose is a good thing should think hard about what kind of country the US would be if everyone forced their minority views on the majority of the population. It's called fascism. Sig Heil Rizzuh! Sig Heil CS development team! Those people do not deserve the power they have over us. They are abusing it.



Nick

[Fajo]

..... no comment

[UnknownVeteren]

jumping got old fast?

I've been playing for more than 2 years and now that 1.4 dosent allow jumping it seems the excitement has been toggled down. But then again what do i know....played 2 yrs straight now a quitter..... i wonder y....

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In conclusion, personally i'm not sure if democracy is best but i fully support all attempts to creating 1.3 servers....someone please hack em like ya did warcraft...im getting a bit tired of diablo n ish like that.

[archon777]

Originally posted by rizzuh:

I don't use my website for anything besides covering community news, posting content, and having fun. I don't have any propaganda on my site. I know it's tough to accept this, but it's true.

Rizzuh, that is a straight out LIE!



Here is the most blatantly example of your pro-1.4 propaganda posted on your website:

news for friday april 26th, 2002

1.3 jump plugin

rizzuh @ 12:18 pm

For those servers ops who want to have CS 1.3 jumping on their CS 1.4 servers, you can grab MetaMod here and then install the jump plugin.



I think this sort of mod only serves to create a literal split in the community rather than a split of opinions. Any league that endorses official use of this mod is hurting the community more than helping it, regardless of what some will say. For pubs, I guess, whatever floats your boat.



This plug-in is more for show than for actual use for most clans. The real "elite" clans (CAL-I, CAL-M playoffs) are going to have to adapt to CS 1.4 very, very soon.

Reporting news does not include the words, "I think." YOUR opinions about what effects this plug-in may or may not have on the community are NOT objective, they are bias and a minority viewpoint as well. It would have been slightly better if you had quoted someone else who said that, but that would still have been biased reporting. Objective reporters report BOTH sides of an issue. Instead you replaced objectivity with YOUR personal bias and ignored 58% of your audience. That makes you a dictator, not a news reporter.



Your website is your propaganda tool when it comes to 1.3 vs. 1.4. The fact that you deny this fact is more evidence that you don't care what anyone who disagrees with you says.



Rizzuh, if you want to regain your status as an unbiases reporter, I want to hear you say that you support the 58% of your potential audience that wants 1.3 physics back. That you support both sides being able to play CS the way they want to play it. That is my viewpoint because I understand democracy and the right to choose. You and the CS development team obviously do not.



Nick

[rizzuh]

This conversation is taking place here if you want to read my plays on the matter:



http://65.113.115.100/cgi-bin/ultimateb...;f=1;t=000782

[bullet_head]

With some slight tweaking I think I may use this...

[Mp5A4]

abit of shine in the black tone color hehe

[-[MC]-Nemesis]

Im disapointed.



This model should Not have been given a low rating...

[Sushi-Y]

It's not purple or look like it can shoot a cannon round, which is good. But the skin is too blurry in the game, some parts are ok, but other parts just look bad, especially around the bolt near the back of the gun-the part closest to you. Still a good replacement for me.

[perrypan]

It is not bad, but the animation of idling may be annoying. The lense of the scope needs reskin. The weapon itself looks very nice.