1.3 jump plugin

[.:':.RAC.:':. Ivan-IV]

The noobs make them money. That's what they care about. The noobs created cheating. The noobs, the noobs, the noobs. What the fuck. I'm tired of noobs. Everywhere ya' go. Noobs noobs noobs. That's what makes CS... well, CS. I know we were all noobs once. But I mean come on. Lets screw the leet players and go for more noobs to blow this game good. They need to fix something. I'm just gonna wait it out. I think the changes are fine for right now. But vavle will need to make the changes that I stated in an earlier post. If i have to, I will wait for a year playing 1.4 I don't care..

[Coconut]

ppl keep forgetting counter-strike pre beta 6.5



no1 used "jumpskills" or any of that



accuracy while walking hasnt changed, only handguns WHILE jumping

walking speed hasnt changed

read the damn update log

[UnknownVeteren]

......I'm speechless

I've been playing since before beta 5.2, playing cs for more than 2 years straight had been fun cept for the cheating era. But this....

this has destroyed cs. I've evolved my game for 2 years to the best

i of my ability and intelligence. I think players, not n00bs, have also

evolved their game to a level where they jump substantially. To the point where players rely on this factor. Now some say that it will only make the l33t have to rise up once again. But after playing for several days straight on 1.4 in disbelief from jumping, i have concluded that valve it is almost impossible. There are moments where i should be able to rape the opposing team not even trying. I would be able to rape the people that i play with knives. And now, they rape me. How can this be? Overcoming cheaters is one thing, because i know they cheat. and i know i am able to beat them. Anyway, I will look for this 1.3 mod. I will do whatever it takes to insure that cs stays as it was. I will insure truth to the game.

btw anyone retaliating from this message,

i ask a favor that you put your experience,

in other words how long you have been playing.

[GonePostal]

Coconut wrote..

ppl keep forgetting counter-strike pre beta 6.5



no1 used "jumpskills" or any of that



accuracy while walking hasnt changed, only handguns WHILE jumping

walking speed hasnt changed

read the damn update log

If you haven't played the new version yet, the accuracies in general have been changed. And they don't tell everything they did in the log.

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Coconut wrote..

ppl keep forgetting counter-strike pre beta 6.5



no1 used "jumpskills" or any of that



accuracy while walking hasnt changed, only handguns WHILE jumping

walking speed hasnt changed

read the damn update log

Back then in the earlier betas, the speed of the game was much higher becasue the moving speed was much higher. You didn't need to jump around to avoid being hit. You were fast as hell already.

[vapor (v4p0r)]

there should be no official version to CS... leagues should be able to pick the versions of CS they like the best :>... "CAL introduces the Beta 7 League"... ahh yes thats more like it ;0

[NightEyes]

I downloaded the game for free, I downloaded All Seeing Eye for free, these were bonuses to an already great game (half-life). Now 1.4 Is out I'm sucking at counter-strike... why because it's different, I'm adjusting, do you know what gets up my crack? the little whiney babies that come in slagging off 1.4, You may not like it but it's what you've got so deal with it. Crying on the servers isn't going to do anything except get you kicked out, If 1.4 sucks so much then don't play. I personally love the patch, apart from csguard not being back up for a few days.

I counted 2 hours between release time and my 1st spotted hacker, anyone got quicker?

So much for valves anti-cheat software...

Play Safe

[Bort]

Indeed, if CPL and enough major leagues trounce on the new version, VALVe will have no choice but to change things back (as they SAID they were going to do.) They've always been huge supporters of the CPL and major clan-style competition.



And it pisses me off to no end that I spent 2 years acquiring the skill I have now.. and its all been flushed down the drain... All the newbies are screaming out (hoorah! I can kill people).... (which probably counts for about %47 of the community (like the poll says) ... Yeah, these numbers ARE being pulled from a poll... since its on a poll of what? I think it was 7000 people (out of 60000 or so people playing CS) I think its pretty safe to call it a fair average of the community. Like I said..... most of the people that actually like the jumping weren't complaining about it before, and all the people that are complaining about how it is now were just happy with it before. And don't even THINK of comparing this to any previous change in CS.... because they're not even REMOTELY the same. Its very stupid and childish for you to think so, these changes DRASTICALLY change the gameplay, not ONE of the changes before has EVER affected the gameplay this much. CPL did a pretty good job explaining whats wrong with these changes.... just read their letter, if your still unconvinced then your very pig-headed....... I didn't think these changes were a good idea when I first heard about them (having not played the beta 1.4 releases before) I gave them a shot.... after playing for 3 days trying to adjust.... I realise that there is no way to get the game exactly the same as before.... the walking change is the biggest factor involved.. you can tell that whoever made the voice-comm isn't a very good player because the way it was designed.... so you know not everyone at VALVe is even capable of taking all factors into consideration... I think its high-time they hire a consultant or two.... someone that REALLY knows how to play the game... and stop picking people off the street (or whatever they do). Thresh seems to have a good idea of how to play using sounds.. and stealthyness... perhaps they should have ran these ideas by him first? I could -maybe- live with the jumping thing after I got used to it.... but not being able to walk is a HUGE hinderence.

[UnknownVeteren]

Hold up Hold up.....Why are the 1337 the b****in whinners now? We have strived to be the best. I just dont understand why the n00bs call us whinners.

Anyhow, my complaint is to valve changing the game. What good are the new features when you're better off dead than alive? My whole point is based on the fact that valve took out the skill of the game. I agree with GonePostal. The skill I'm talking about comes from the slowed jumping. Thats all I'd like to change and thats why I'm complaing. I personally, have never really complained about cs in any versions. Not even with the cheaters. I dont mind cheaters in comparison to the non-jumping.

Valve has taken out one of the most differential factor in the games skill. Playerz that relied on jumping cannot play now. Although itz just jumping, it is still a dimension of the game. When valve made this non-jumping nonsense they thinned the game. Putting non-jumping takes out this 3rd dimension in the game. I have a friend that likes this mod but is sad that most of his competition is gone. Taking out, basically the other style of play, is no way to change the game. I'd like to get my hands on the guy that decieded the non-jumping.

btw anyone who oppose my oppiniun, i would ask that you would tell the public how long you have been playing.

[Bort]

Ah, I think I see the problem....

VALVe thinks the public likes a game where anyone can just jump in.. and kick some ass.... This might attract a crowd, but it won't keep them. I mean, its always seems to be what VALVe is aiming for, attracting the crowd... Too bad once everyone realises you can't get a whole lot better at this they'll get bored, and leave. Sure, you can become more accurate.. a quicker shot.... but how often does that matter when you get shot in the back by someone who has been sitting there the whole time waiting for you to run by because he couldn't move stealthily enough to get away. Now victories and skill will be determined by weather or not you can remember to look in the dark corners where the campers are sitting... because thats pretty much what everyones going to be doing now.. camping.. Boy, won't that be fun.. 3 minute standoffs where nobody attacks because they don't want to get killed.... Sounds like some really bad games of assault I played right before 1.4 came out.... Boy, what fun.

[vapor (v4p0r)]

i dont see what you all are bitching about.. the changes arent that drastic... i mean comeon when i played the beta for the first time i was ticked.. but after playin it for awhile and getting used to it you will like it better than 1.3.. at least thats how it is for me

[Bort]

Might be fun now.. but how long will that last? when your unable to flank the other team, when your unable to win in a firefight anytime your outnumbered.... when playing CS always means camping.... And in any place theres a chokepoint, you can't approach stealthily beacause you can't walk.

[SapphireDarkness]

Yes hi five to that. This big leagues can't bow to the preassure of their formally good strafing clans. They need to move on and play the game the creators intended

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Wait is Tycho the PP tycho?

[Bort]

The problem is the creators apparently don't know what the fuck they're doing anymore..... They started going down the wrong path when they fucked up the SMG's in 1.3 with jumping, and made voice-comm cut game-sounds' volume in 1/2.... lets kill a little gameplay, add a big annoyance so instead of me hearing the game, now I can hear some loser whine on about why we should camp.. when getting into a more defendable position (one that you can't be attacked from 3 sides at once) makes a million times more sense.... THAT was a bad idea... not adding voice-comm, just making it cut the volume in 1/2....

Bad ideas in 1.4 are even worse... at least with that you could mute people... Now you can't jump.... so its impossible to avoid getting shot.. You can't walk, so its impossible to move without someone that has mastered the ability of hearing, and matching up locations with sounds knowing immediately where you are, and what your doing. (which ALL the good players have)

CS is as stale and boring now as playing Rogue Spear.....

[xAo|JR]

Why did they make 1.4? No one wanted it... now that its here, it's tearing apart the CS community....

[Griffin]

Hmmm maybe instead of slowing you down when jumping they could have just simply made your accuracy with any weapon almost 0.As for running and Firing with accuracy well maybe in Hollywood movies its possible but with an ak47 in realife goodluck.



Bottom line is things have been doen like them or not, you either have to make the adjustments or moveon.Iam sure they will be other mods out that give you some of 1.3 movement etc back, but do you really want to spend alot of time playing on servers like that and than have to play in a league match which runs with 1.4 settings