VAC Updated Today

[Serious Sam]

Nighthawk post his ip! =D One less cheater to worry about.

[phaze-]

McDeth wrote..

o o, thats right, if u get headshots you cheat, yup! OBVIOUS SIGN OF A HACKER IS HEADSHOTS!!



*Now go my minions, accuse all with headshots as HACKERS!!

I didn't say that at all, and unless you were in the server or hacked my computer for a demo of it then you didnt even see the situation so you really should keep quiet about things you have no clue about. Yes, it is possible to get 3 headshots in a row without being a cheater but 3 headshots in a consecutive row, all took one shot, and was with a usp while running (accuracy with any pistol is horrible while running), is very farfetched and that is definite grounds to be suscpicous of cheats.

[Mr. Lugosi]

pinchet wrote..

LUGOSI MAYBE YOURE JUST BANNED FROM CLOWNHUT MEBE LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You'd like that



It lets me in now though. But I didn't change anything, so I dont know what the deal was.

[lead_pipe]

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Serious Sam wrote..

Nighthawk post his ip! =D One less cheater to worry about.

you know, i figured he had posted that just to show that there are still working cheats??



<--------- fairly gullible



edited: to make the sentence better

[bkrose120]

Uh, I played the avi Nighthawk and you CAN see ppl through the walls! What a strange bug...

[kaxman]

Dark [pO] wrote..

I didn't say that at all, and unless you were in the server or hacked my computer for a demo of it then you didnt even see the situation so you really should keep quiet about things you have no clue about. Yes, it is possible to get 3 headshots in a row without being a cheater but 3 headshots in a consecutive row, all took one shot, and was with a usp while running (accuracy with any pistol is horrible while running), is very farfetched and that is definite grounds to be suscpicous of cheats.

I've never heard of a cheat that made the weapons shoot like quake (ala "no-recoil"). So, uh, since its perfectly possible to keep your crosshair on three heads while running, from what you've so far stated, there's simply no way to conclude that he didn't just get lucky. And since the usp can and does kill unarmored heads from fairly close range in one hit, and since it is much easier to hit people in the head from close up, and the usp only kills in one hit from close up, well that lends the story credibility at least to a degree. In other words, its certainly possible, and more on this side of possible than impossible.

bkrose120 wrote..

Uh, I played the avi Nighthawk and you CAN see ppl through the walls! What a strange bug...

Yeah, but can you imagine playing with all that crazy colored sky and the mad flickering? Ugh, headache.

[Gaill.arD]

lopinboy wrote..

Now, they just need to do away with Direct3D since it comes with a built in wallhack with version 40.72. I've submitted news about it, but it seems that both csnation or phl seem to care or have gotten time to get to my news.



BTW, here it is:

http://jokers.virtualave.net/cs/D3DBug.jpg

http://jokers.virtualave.net/cs/D3DBug.avi



BTW, it is undetected by VAC at the current moment.

Dude, that's against pod bots on a listen server!



Listen servers DO NOT have VAC protection anyway!



You've failed to proove anything.

[bkrose120]

kaxman wrote..

Yeah, but can you imagine playing with all that crazy colored sky and the mad flickering? Ugh, headache.

Uh yeah, I updated my drivers and tried it, it DOES give you a headache, and half the time u can't even see what's where w/ flickering and the top half of the screen was blood and crap that wouldn't disappear, noone could ever benefit from it!

[stooopid]

-:Nighthawk:- wrote..

That doesn't prevent ESP cheats though, unfortunately.

I'm not clear on these ESP cheats? If the server doesn't send you information about the position of the player until their model goes un-culled by the other polygons, how does ESP know where they are? Wont VAC block ESP too?

[lead_pipe]

^^don't they use sound???

[xep]

kaxman wrote..

And since the usp can and does kill unarmored heads from fairly close range in one hit, and since it is much easier to hit people in the head from close up, and the usp only kills in one hit from close up, well that lends the story credibility at least to a degree.

So you're saying he has a hack to boost weapon power?

Wow. What a dumb thing to say.

[GuNSm0k3]

The new VAC blocked the new OGC 9 and CSC 2.6. The only thing bad about VAC is that it only blocks cheats that are used widely. Meaning, the ppl who code OGC, UGC, and all those other cheats have their own personal ("private") hack. The OGC 9 it detects now was leaked so everyone got it, therefore VALVe got it. My point is, is why don't they try to do more than block wallhacks and public hacks. The ppl we should be worrying about is the ppl with the private hacks that VAC can't detect. Oh and http://www.counter-hack.net/content.php?page=halflife will explain how the ESP is clearly worse than a wallhack.

lead_pipe wrote..

^^don't they use sound???

Sound ESP is completly different than regualar ESP. I hope I don't get banned for knowing this. :|

[-:Nighthawk:-]

Serious Sam wrote..

Nighthawk post his ip! =D One less cheater to worry about.

If I did that, as of tomorrow you'd also have one less forum moderator to worry about. :) Needless to say, he didn't specifically say he cheated, just tried to link everyone else to a site that provided cheats. The ban will suffice.



I have to admit Sam, I was tempted to post your IP after your comment as a joke, but I thought better of it. :)

Skeptic wrote..

Dude, that's against pod bots on a listen server!



Listen servers DO NOT have VAC protection anyway!



You've failed to proove anything.

I suspected as much. VALVe isn't concerned about people hacking against their bots, heh, just other players.

xep wrote..

So you're saying he has a hack to boost weapon power?

Wow. What a dumb thing to say.

No, you just misunderstood him. But that's okay, you asked a question, and there are no dumb questions.



There are a lot of inquisitive idiots, though.

stooopid wrote..

I'm not clear on these ESP cheats? If the server doesn't send you information about the position of the player until their model goes un-culled by the other polygons, how does ESP know where they are? Wont VAC block ESP too?

From my understanding, sound source location is provided seperately from graphical location information. So the server sends positions where to draw players (if it determines you should see them) and sounds from players (if you should hear them).



Thing is, sounds do travel through walls in CS. So while your client doesn't know to draw an enemy, if that enemy is making noise, it knows the vector to place that sound on.



Basically, what VALVe needs to do is send slightly inaccurate sound source data to the client. Vertically speaking, you can't tell if a player is above or below you in CS. If the sound comes from a bit higher up, or a bit lower down, than the actual position of the player, it makes no difference in what you hear. Random offsets to put the sound source higher (above their head) or lower (way below their feet) would render their aiming systems much more useless.



The nice thing about wallhacks being blocked is that, even with ESP, a player can only aimhack someone who's making noise. Crouching down, waiting on the other side of that box... they can't see you, and they can't aim by sound.



The more limitations you put on cheats, and the more you make them fairly ineffective, the less people will use them. Pretty soon, I'm guessing it will be mostly lamberts and such.

[dagz]

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GuNSm0k3 wrote..

The new VAC blocked the new OGC 9 and CSC 2.6. The only thing bad about VAC is that it only blocks cheats that are used widely. Meaning, the ppl who code OGC, UGC, and all those other cheats have their own personal ("private") hack. The OGC 9 it detects now was leaked so everyone got it, therefore VALVe got it. My point is, is why don't they try to do more than block wallhacks and public hacks. The ppl we should be worrying about is the ppl with the private hacks that VAC can't detect. Oh and http://www.counter-hack.net/content.php?page=halflife will explain how the ESP is clearly worse than a wallhack.



Sound ESP is completly different than regualar ESP. I hope I don't get banned for knowing this. :|

Because more people have the public hacks and not a lot of people have the private hacks. Detecting public hacks stops more cheaters i believe. In steam hopefully this will stop because valve can update the client side.

[[CyW]-=BigBear=-]

Can someone plz explain to me what ESP is?



Thxs..