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  • fantasychrono

    #46
    narby wrote..

    Your entire point in that response was that ball games have not been around for centuries, which they clearly have. Perhaps you need to go read some history books instead of making brash attempts at being clever and entertaining.

    As for spectator sports, temples in south America have been found containing ceremonial games where a leather ball (and sometimes a decapitated head) were kicked around into stone hoops. These games were played in front of crowds (who sat on large stone terraces). I think that constitutes a spectator sport.



    These were not professional, but thats not the point of the argument. You were dismissing his argument by saying sports didn't exist centuries ago, which they did.
    I wish people would stop talking about "sporting" anything, it really invokes a gh3y image that I don't need at 10:30 at night.



    And by the way, he was dismissing the argument because mainly the definition of loyalty requires a high duty or authority to be loyal to, and since a game evokes no sense of authority or duty, loyalty cannot exist to it.



    Case dismissed. Logic 101, take it; maybe you will learn something.



    And even if loyalty could exist, it is not the reason that people play all the time. That is called an addiction to the game, and it happens quite often. You might notice that you tend to stop playing games that become too easy, too difficult, and basically too repetitive. However, online games like CS, that move at a quick pace, are hardly repetitive, and you can always find someone, somewhere, that is better than you to play against; hence causing you to create a goal: to be better than that person. It is this frequent setting of goals that creates the addiction. A new goal is created before the old goal is achieved, and you just want to be RID of goals so you can put the game down! Unfortunately, this rarely happens, and you end up playing CS for 20 hours straight until your face hits the keyboard.

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    • Sa-Raven

      #47
      Geekman wrote..

      Amazing article, deserves the best -- even though I never realized loyalty was part of C-S. Well, I should know this since I play all night and all day (AKA 24/7/365 -- know what I mean?). I am a dork, nerd, and a geek. Never forget my laptop for school, my briefcase (backpack), pocket protector, one inch thick-rimmed spectacles, and my trousers which almost reach my breast (my pants are really small). I wear those with suspenders and a white, button-down shirt. Very much in style. I guess my attitude needs a bit more loyality in my life and C-S. However, do geeks need them?
      You are a sad little man.

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      • narby

        #48
        Ok Mr patronisation, nice summary but the second you used the word ``gh3y'' you lost any respect you may have had.



        You're saying to be loyal in your words: ``requires a high duty or authority to be loyal to''



        Uhh, no.



        You can be loyal to anything, if you buy a lot of coke you can be said to be loyal to that brand. If you watch the simpsons every week you are a loyal viewer to the show.



        loy·al·ty Pronunciation Key (loil-t)

        n. pl. loy·al·ties

        -The state or quality of being loyal. See Synonyms at fidelity.

        -A feeling or attitude of devoted attachment and affection. Often used in the plural: My loyalties lie with my family.




        ``A feeling or attitude of devoted attachment and affection.''



        People who love the game, are said to be loyal to it.
        Case dismissed. Logic 101, take it; maybe you will learn something
        Yes I think we learned something here captain douchebag.

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        • fantasychrono

          #49

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          • fantasychrono

            #50
            of course, my previous comment was very logically based, in other words, you can't quite contradict the reasoning.



            Its based on the principle of induction.

            oh yeah, and until i see any of you get any imo problems, my logic 0wnz ur logic

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            • BoomChild

              #51
              shuriken45 wrote..

              i don't think "loyality" is a word.
              Ok man, you've found the only fault in my logic I guess. I have an amazing inablility to spell the American language. But it's good that you pointed out the grammar mistakes because I guess if you were reading it that intently I'd have got my point across.



              I really think that this game is great becuase of the people in it. But that's all the same thing so good times.

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              • fantasychrono

                #52
                however, in those cases, narby...



                THERE ARE CHANCES TO SWITCH TO SOMETHING ELSE!

                That makes it a loyalty issue. If someone missed a show once, they would not necessarily be loyal because they chose not to watch it. They had the opoortunity and rejected it. If they are loyal to a brand of something, they dont get anything else and they stay exclusively with it. If you are talking about GAMES, which are held 24 hours a day, is loyalty defined as playing that game EXCLUSIVELY then? For if it is, I am sure there are no people that play that game exclusively. How would you define "loyalty" in precise terms for THIS situation, which inductively applies to the base defiinition of loyalty we may find in a dictionary?

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                • narby

                  #53
                  If you're loyal to your family as the dictionary definition said, but you hate your uncle, apparently by your logic you're not loyal to your family anymore.



                  If you're loyal to the Army as a soldier, and you kill an allied soldier in accidental freindly fire does that make you no longer loyal to them?



                  No.

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                  • fantasychrono

                    #54
                    The key word there is ACCIDENTAL!



                    My argument of not being loyal is making the conscious choice to completely betray or, in your examples, change over to another company, be it brand or not watching a show.



                    These are conscious choices, not accidents. And the act of disloyalty must be done to the thing or group as a whole, do you not agree?



                    Therefore, that argument is not valid.



                    Could you answer my question from before or are you just going to dodge it all day?

                    That question being "how do you define loyalty in this case?" As I said before, the definition should loosely resemble a dictionary definition. Show some support for your argument! Then I will have something concrete to disagree with you on that you will not be able to fancy-foot around with.

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                    • pablo_m123

                      #55
                      lets anal -ize this carefully:



                      "narby wrote..

                      Your entire point in that response was that ball games have not been around for centuries, which they clearly have. Perhaps you need to go read some history books instead of making brash attempts at being clever and entertaining."



                      actually I think I pulled it off rather well. you are trying to win this argument by changing what I said (i think), and I will defeat thou by showing thine flawed logic (was that right?); my entire point in my response was that he is an idiot, because he is basically saying that modern day mass spectator sports, which can be compared to online gaming leagues, have operating for hundreds of years. that is not right, because these sports have become what they are in the last hundred years, with the creation of television and the internet.



                      "As for spectator sports, temples in south America have been found containing ceremonial games where a leather ball (and sometimes a decapitated head) were kicked around into stone hoops. These games were played in front of crowds (who sat on large stone terraces). I think that constitutes a spectator sport."



                      i think you are missing the point of his article. he wrote it about....wait....ok that won't work, because it isn't about anything. he wrote that....paragraph....about how gaming will be broudcast on the same level as football and soccer. not about mexicans kicking heads around in front of their friends.

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                      • thePostman

                        #56
                        Beautiful so beautiful damn near brought a tear to my eye.

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                        • fantasychrono

                          #57
                          yes, but if x^4 + ax^3 + bx^2 + ax + 1 has at least one real root, what is the minimum value of a^2+b^2?



                          I figured since we were talkin so much about logic I would throw it overboard... a little comedy pyramid stunt... gone horribly wrong.

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                          • narby

                            #58
                            If you watch 99 episodes of the simpsons and miss one to watch freinds you're saying It voids your loyalty to the show?



                            Loyalty is totally relative, there are different levels of loyalty. In the case of being loyal to a computer game, if you play often and dedicate a large amount of time to it, you could be said to be loyal to that game.

                            Quantifying the loyalty in a case like this isn't easy, as I said it's relative.

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                            • fantasychrono

                              #59
                              ..and its all narby and the author's fault.. see what you have done? Cant u see it is WRONG? Huh? CANT YOU? YOU MADE ME PUT IMO PROBLEM NUMBER 3 FROM 1973 on the BOARD>? (which i DID solve by the way) Cant you see what u make people result to!?!?

                              That depends how much time you spend on other games, if it is relatvie, correct?



                              In which case it would be difficult IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE to be loyal to ONE game!

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                              parraaaaaaaaaaallelogram?

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                              • pablo_m123

                                #60
                                narby you can't be loyal to counter-strike, because it's just a game!



                                say it to yourself! it even sounds dumb!



                                "I am loyal to counter-strike!"



                                the whole idea of being loyal is just so the losers who play 24/7 can feel as if they are doing something worth-while, and are part of something important.



                                counter-strike is something you do for fun, and so you can't be loyal to it; just like you can't be loyal to masturbation or eating pizza.



                                ...you lose

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