cpoint: admin mod

[Vassily]

Hmmm. the friendly fire thing raised an interesting point, because you NEED admin on FF servers, but at the same time they can be more self-policing, i.e cap their own hax0rs etc. It also removes people who like to repeatedly FB their own team in spawn. That remains the best friendly fire of my life. But you do need admin to control the brats. ho hum, sticking with the 6 of one half dozen argument.



Um. oddly i do say mmmk a lot. freaked out now O_o and Julio = yes as a matter of fact i do ignore t.v totally. Especially shit american talk shows. :)

[-:Nighthawk:-]

In my experience, most cheaters are wannabe stat whores. If you kick them repeatedly, they can't sit at the top of the scoreboard and type "I win!" at the end of every round. If they can't do that, then they typically end up leaving after a map or so at most. Like I said, it's not as good as a good admin, and it's not foolproof, but it is a somewhat useful tool for your average joes on the servers.



As far rebinding keys and such, I think you took it the wrong way. It's not a matter of an admin saying "oh, I think I'll redo your config because I like it better this way." Instead, it's a matter of new players coming in who don't have access to their console, and can't figure out how to fix things. If you determine that they can't figure it out, and want help, then you can help them out.



Another classic example has to do with cs_siege. After playing that map, many players often complain about the residual echo on following maps. A good admin can use this ability to run a "room_type 0" command for everyone, thus eliminating the echo.



I'm not saying CS would collapse without this ability. I'm saying it's useful for good admins, and can make the game better overall. I've found servers that have good admins, and I stick with those. If you're picking random servers from the 'net every time you play, you're much more likely to run into problems. I'd seriously recommend using something like HLSW or HLM to pick a server to join from a list of your favorite "safe" servers, and stick to those.

[Ho Hum (Ma$h3d)]

All I care when I play on any server is whether there is anyone cheating in the game. Period. If people don't like playing on servers with it loaded then they should move onto the next server.



My only complaint are the servers WITH admins and they are never on. Grrrr.



Statsme is a great plugin, chicken mod is fine just to punish those who are cheating. You can't cheat when your a chicken =)



Nothing beats a server with a good admin.

[mouth]

As far as i'm concerned, adminmod and its plugins are just irresponsible coders jerking off into a compiler. The admins that use it are the dumb bastards getting sloppy seconds.

Seven001 wrote..

I use execclient for just a couple things, first, to execclient say for one of my friends. as a joke. Second, I unbind the keys of cheaters. I think cheaters should be happy that it's the worst an admin can do to them.

Everyone should be happy that it's the worst you can do to them. It's not your job to enact some petty form of revenge. Ban them and get it over with.

However, we do not put up with the normal bullshit most servers put up with. Like players trash-talking other players for not doing something their way, or just plain being an ass (or lamer as some put it).

Read: "Like players who do not appreciate the general stupidity of other players and aren't afraid to say so".



Sounds like arbitrary bullshit to me, which is what causes adminmod abuse in the first place.

Zkilibon wrote..

I think the point of certain adminmod functions are much more suited for "fun" servers where people are goofing around, not seriously playing.

And those are much more suited to listen servers where you run around a map like a tool BY YOURSELF without affecting anyone else.

I myself was an admin on 2 different servers, and though I wasn't the most level-headed admin, (too much power for one man lol) I hopefully made playing on those servers more enjoyable. Hell, I'd use admin_slap on myself when things got goofy. And I was definitely fair- when there was an asswipe on the server, I'd pin him in place with +grabent and let other players punish him in whatever way they wanted to. I worked WITH the other players, not against them.

You're admittedly not level-headed, but claim to be fair. You abused +grabent, but you "worked with players".



So, yeah. Are you retarded?

SteelV wrote..

admins pay for the server and can do whatever they want

Bullshit.



You are seriously fucked up if you think that the monthly fee you pay for a server gives you free reign to treat hundreds of players like dirt. Admins MAYBE pay for the bandwidth; they have that. They MAYBE pay for the hardware; they have that. I don't remember any of them paying for a god complex out of their own pocket, nor do i know of any "get to treat players like shit" clause in the server rental contracts. I also do not know of any "Asshole license" vendors.

HarryB wrote..

I dont think counter strike is no longer a tactical game anymore.

I will kill you if English is your first language.

-:Nighthawk:- wrote..

I disagree on both counts. Admin mod allows for some nice control over players, and some fun features.

The fact is that it allows for utterly unnecessary "control" over players. It doesn't matter if it's "fun"; it's either required for the well-being of the server population or it's not. When it's not, then abuse is the only thing it's good for simply because there's nothing else TO do with it. The useful functions simply do not outweigh the abusable aspects.



How can any admin actually justify a need for adminslap or adminbury? If someone's disrupting play, what in the hell is the point of keeping him around long enough to abuse him with adminmod commands? Any rational person would just boot him so everyone could get back to doing what they came there to do, which is PLAY CS. Doing anything else just ends up as a spiral of idiocy because at that point, the admin harassing the disruptor ends up being the one who's holding up the game.



At worst, the vast majority of plugins are to make being a dick easier for an admin. At best, they're just a beacon of stupid that do nothing to actually improve the game or the people playing. And when the pub situation is as dire as it currently is, things like that are just inexcusable.

As far as voting, how many CS players have a clue how to use their console to do a votemap? I think in all the time I've played CS, I may have seen that actually be successful ONE TIME ever. Usually it's impossible to get the required votes, because so many people don't know how to use votemap.

"People are stupid" isn't that great of a justification for adminmod.

It's actually pretty useful for helping out new players. You know, binding their ~ to their console, for instance, or adjusting their cl_cmdrate so you can actually discern what they're attempting to say over voicecom.

That's a HUGE fucking stretch and you know it.

Another classic example has to do with cs_siege. After playing that map, many players often complain about the residual echo on following maps. A good admin can use this ability to run a "room_type 0" command for everyone, thus eliminating the echo.

Siege? What the hell? Is this the kind of crap that passes for a point in my absence? A good admin would take cs_siege out of the map rotation to begin with.

-=]PM[=-ColdBrand wrote..

god why is cs-nation so strict about us talking casually at all,the admins all act like if we say anything that isnt related to the topic than everyone will die a horrible death(to see what I mean by horrible death watch the the 3/4 portion of the Animatrix episode 4)

Yeah, sorry. I know it must be really eating you up inside to not be able to burden other people with your irrelevant drivel. If your burning desire to be a chatty, airhead bitch with nothing to say gets too strong, feel free to join the other lamers in being a waste of bandwidth at the CS OT forum.

[Vassily]

uh mouth...you don't actually have access to real assault rifles do you?

*beats a strategic retreat*

[|=AoGO=| DaButcha]

-=|UnReaL|=- wrote..

... everyone tells me you admin_t or admin_ct to change the player to the other team, but that sure as hell wont work...

Remove the # in front of

addons/adminmod/scripts/plugin_CS.amx

in your addons/adminmod/config/plugin.ini



and you'll be fine :)

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mouth wrote..

Bullshit.

You are seriously fucked up if you think that the monthly fee you pay for a server gives you free reign to treat hundreds of players like dirt. Admins MAYBE pay for the bandwidth; they have that. They MAYBE pay for the hardware; they have that.

Well.. I operate and admin a server. The server is somewhat different from other servers, as we intend to make it a rushing-style (Deathmatch) server. This is clearly stated by the MOTD, as well as MOTM messages. So people get warned not to camp using tsays, slapped and slain (in that order). Somehow they always seem to be either blind or retarded, as the default comment is "WTF ADMIN!? I was <insert lame excuse here>.



Thing is: if you are to play on my server, you are a Guest and should act accordingly. In real life, you wouldn't go about and offend your host, now would you? I also regularly kick or ban players that I don't like as, since there are about a zillion other servers to choose from, I don't want me or any of the players on the server exposed to a prick.



Butch

P.S. How many of you guys actually READ the MOTD upon entering a server?

[HarryB]

The day will come when cs will no longer have a kill or death score.. JUST A PLAIN TEAM SCORE and a couple of points to plant or rescue hostages. THAT WILL BE THE DAY. Keep talking about peoples opinions. Note this is all about listening to what people have to say NOT MAKE FUN OF THEM. Stop with the stupid gay admin talk "you dont like it? go somewhere else attitude". This game revolves on the average players not the so-called 1337 pub masters who call them selves cal-i cal-m so cal-stfu and have a nice day.

[SuAside]

im an admin on a fairly good public server which is almost always full in the afternoon and at night. the other admins and i have made a little text during connect that u can read, if u dont like it u can leave, but if u do connect and dont abide by them, we'll lets say ur in for a hell of a ride then.



abuse on our server is minimal of non-excisting since we have clear rules.



but u can be certain that if u camp without a reason (not to protect the bomb or anything like that) or if u start teamflashing and stuff u will be punished. if teams r uneven it is us who join the loosing team, if there is a cheater it is for us to take em out,...



we dont expect much from the community, just some respect and that they follow the rules on our server. we are no powerhungry freaks, we simply want a good server to play on (with reserved slots for whome helps to pay the bill).



i think adminmod is full off usefull things (admin_clanmatch,...) but of course their r a lot of commands which r just plain silly. on the other hand i dont like the other plugins and stuff (chickenmod, wc3,...), they can be fun for like 2 minutes, but i wouldnt wanna play on a server which runs em.

[-=|UnReaL|=-]

yo can you guys tell me what the hell metamod is? cuz i have no freakin clue ya know

[cHIs-]

cool, some guy said back there , it shows when you have skill and technique when you switch to the MP5

I switched to it, it rocks

[sniv]

Im better at mp5 than ak, but that's my spray-and-pray-when-scared nature.

[Sm[o][o]th]

WC3 i find to be a very enjoyable mod, but nothing to be taken seriously...



We have it on one of our 8 servers and it is populated with 20/20 from 4pm to 2am almost every day...



It can be annoying joining mid game and a little tedious trying to kill someone with 30% evasion but it is in essence only a fun mod and should be treated as such...



I still play 'regular' CS most of the time but it is nice to have a change from the 'norm' once in a while...

And on the note of admin-mod I believe that I am a pretty just admin, but if I do step out of line it will be reported and my fellow admins would have a go at me...



Things like Admin/Clan/AMX mod i feel improve the game and make it more managable especially if you run a popular server and need to keep law n order...

[LoBsTeR-SiCk]

my server runs amx...admin mod doesnt compare. we "abusive admins" are friends. ppl that log in are guests or friends as well and should act as such. you dont have to play down, just be cool. u get called a hack!? ..got abused? we have a forum for that. if youre not interested in tolerating the player base and admins we dont want ya in the first place. if ur gonna be a reg u should be posting on the forum from time to time anyhow. Why? because we like to get to know who we spend 20hours a week with. And yea we have a pug server with wwcl for more serious play.



friendly fire being on is the primary reason i like amx/atac...not to mention ptb. map cycle days of the week...cfg's per map, the high ping kicker AND the afk kicker. your server functions better when your not around. and when u are its alot easier to control.

[MikeJ]

I think it's interesting that only admins justify the use of admin mod. The player base just doesn't fucking like it.

[Rambozo]

"It seems when you want an admin they're not there, and when you don't want one they're totally in everyone's face. So maybe we are being a bit unfair to those out there who do run servers. Those in the CS community appreciate a good admin, but a good admin rarely does a number that makes appreciation easy to give."



Damn right.



Now, here goes my mantra.



Admin-mod is just fucking worthless, thats all it is, simple. Oh wow you can change the amount of power a given admin is. If you can't trust him with Rcon HE DOESN'T NEED ANY POWERS. Simple. That problem/debate/defence is bullshit. And pointless.



Ohhh so you like to spam text in the middle of the screen to let us know how big of a dumbass you are. Oh... I need it to tell everyone something. Did we forget about rcon say... or we too damn retarded?



Ohhh but I need it to slap people... BULLSHIT... you KICK them. Sends a MUCH more clear message when they have to re-buy everything and get their score back up then a slap.



I need to slay them!! Read the last statement.

I need to bury them!! Ditto.



You get my drift? Admin-mod is completely worthless. Thats all it is. Its just another weapon a CS jackass rapist can use. Sure, admin-mod isn't the root of the problem, but lets give them another tool to be utterly gay with? Good idea. -238 points, jackass.



The ONLY commands you need for HL are there to begin with!



kick = get rid of jackass.

ban = get rid of complete jackass forever.

say = everyone sees it.



And every other NORMAL command can be used in Rcon. So why the hell make whole new commands and give idiots more power... I will never know..



Ohh I got an idea, lets spam the server name across the screen just incase I have down's syndrom and didn't read the fucking MOTD or the name in the list when I connected. POINTLESS.



I hope all Admin-mod servers burn a firey, bloody, violent, bone crushing death.