IW Will Not Copy Anything from CoD:WaW

[CptainCrunch]

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I would love it if they fired 402 and just had JD_2020 do it, unlike 402 he's not a pretentious Douche and he doesn't have his head embedded up the rear ends of all the 360 players out there. Jd_2020 actually addresses those other community's, you know, the pc and ps3.

I dont think JD does a lot better. He is no douche, but the lack of PC news is very obvious. He has attacked a number of forum members, though I can't blame him for the amount of flack he had to put up with. Just because its his job, doesnt mean he needs to be treated like garbage.

Crunch

Martyrdom will never go away, 402 publicly stated during the height of the hate for it that he loved the perk and that most of Iw did too and it wasnt going anywhere.

G3 Knife Bug............................................... .................,.

That doesnt sound like they are listening to the players to me. Its a cheap kill tactic for consolers. At least treyarch listened and put in a perk or two to combat it.

Crunch

[JoMaMaz]

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Oh how I loathe the martyrdom perk... I think that the only reason IW likes it is b/c it adds one more nade going off creating more 'noise' thus simulating more chaos/intense action going on in a map. So, smoke and mirrors, fireworks type of stuff, you know?

[Immortal_Joker]

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I would love it if they fired 402 and just had JD_2020 do it, unlike 402 he's not a pretentious Douche and he doesn't have his head embedded up the rear ends of all the 360 players out there. Jd_2020 actually addresses those other community's, you know, the pc and ps3.

Agreed JD actually looks out for the community when it comes to Call of Duty he even deals with the criticism on the forums there will some respect and dignity. Why can't 402 learn from his example an stop acting like a jackarse?

[GoD_GraveDancer]

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They are douches and liars on top of that. They are already copying two things from WaW:

Spec-Op mod = Co-Op mode from Treyarch. Call a pepsi a coke, its still a pepsi.

Sticky Grenades on 402s head = Sticky grenades from WaW, but its a smaller one, so it must be different.

Also, in my opinion, they are STEALING ideas from mods made for CoD4, that AC130 gunship is identical to the one in the maximum mod. I think thats the name of it.

IW has no new ideas. They are expanding perks/killstreaks (old), taking stuff from modders, and already copying what Treyarch has done.

Can't wait to see what else matches up that IW will take credit for.

Crunch

What would you do were you in IW position? IW actually tried to put in a co-op mode in MW, but ran out of time. Would you rather there be no grenades in MW2 because WaW had some? Think about what you are saying here.

The AC130 was a request from the COD community. Surely you saw the suggestion threads. Lots of people wanted to be able to control a gunship, just as they wanted a co-op mode and customizable killstreaks. IW is actually listening to the community and giving us what we are requesting.

Regarding perks and killstreaks, what more could a developer do? There are only so many perks that can be implemented. The list is simply too short.

Anyone on here have ideas for new perks?

Trey took a good game in MW and simply reskinned it. Sure, they added a few touches of their own, but its basically MW in a different era.

Players say no martyrdom/laststand/grenade launchers. Players say they want a way to better kill the heli as its just an aimbot that you cant hide from. Players say the grenades are too powerful and damage widespread. Players say there are bugs with some of the guns and their attachments.

Maybe they are listening, but I dont recall the gaming community saying we need more powerful killstreaks.

Crunch

The heli was much easier to avoid and/or destroy than a pack of dogs (some of which were half under the map and invincible)

[adgregory]

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The heli was much easier to avoid and/or destroy than a pack of dogs (some of which were half under the map and invincible)

especially on HC, a dog jumps once and your dead, no time to swing your knife at it. and sometimes dogs can even bite through walls, whats all that about?

oh and Spec-op isnt co-op its a bonus mode, like the ridiculous Nazi Zombies bonus game. i thought it was meant to be a realistic WW2 shooter, i wasnt aware there were zombies, hell hounds and teleporters in WW2, must have missed that documentary on Discovery.

[darthvader59]

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I am quite shocked by what i read here, I have been a member of cod.com (the official site for COD:W@W) and to me JD completely ingores the community.

1. Tanks being removed from Hardcore, only the 360 community wanted its removal

2. PS3 being ingored for patching, certain hotfixes not even being released

3. When he does post he only posts in the 360 section, the wii community are being given techincal support by a moderator

IW's engine was taken by Treyarch and silghtly improved on, they kept all the same stuff and just added a few perks, Zombie mode is a rip-off of an all-time classic Wolfstein!

If IW decide not to copy their fully within their rights, its their game, they did create it after all!

[Wizrdwarts]

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What would you do were you in IW position?

Tell 402 to stfu.

[darthvader59]

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Tell 402 to stfu.

only after JD does some community work

[Gosu71]

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I am quite shocked by what i read here, I have been a member of cod.com (the official site for COD:W@W) and to me JD completely ingores the community.

1. Tanks being removed from Hardcore, only the 360 community wanted its removal

2. PS3 being ingored for patching, certain hotfixes not even being released

3. When he does post he only posts in the 360 section, the wii community are being given techincal support by a moderator

IW's engine was taken by Treyarch and silghtly improved on, they kept all the same stuff and just added a few perks, Zombie mode is a rip-off of an all-time classic Wolfstein!

If IW decide not to copy their fully within their rights, its their game, they did create it after all!

I totally agree.

JD_2020 is only bothered about his precious 360 fans.

The PS3 version of WaW is broken when trying to party/invite and he totally refuses to believe this.

Here is a a response from the worst so called 'Community Manager' in the history of gaming for us PS3 users -

[JoMaMaz]

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Well obviously we have some people here WAY over simplifying what Treyarch did. You are doing what some people do to sports they hate, "It's just a circle that you throw a ball through", "You just hit a ball with a stick and run around." Obviously, there is more to it than just that. They added a lot and improved upon MW in some ways. Not to mention, that if so many proclaim MW to be a great game, it's almost harder to improve upon something that is already considered great, look at IW's difficulty in making MW2, so congrats to Treyarch.

Spec-Ops IS a co-op mode. Read about it, it's a 2 person co-op, although you can play it by yourself if you choose, just like zombies. And to proclaim that zombies is just a stupid bonus mode...well argue with the millions of people who play it religiously. And um, zombies have been around for quite some time lol. Of course, having a game with Modern Warfare was so original...:|: Almost anything can be referenced to being taken from somewhere else. Rome: Total War, STOLEN FROM THE RENAISSANCE, FREAKIN' A! Obviously, using the 'simplified' logic above, that comment is apparently legit.

402 is the biggest Xbox fanboy I know...Treyarch, also favors Xbox 360, who wouldn't? They sell millions of copies on that system and make big bucks. They are their number one customer. But if you want the stereotype of a Xbox 360 fanboy, 402 is far beyond the call for that duty. JD used to be in the PC community and has handled himself decently considering what people call him. Did he handle his job perfectly either? No, he also shot off before. But I just find it funny how people think the community manager is the sole person responsible for making the game. Also, as I know from some who have visited IW, the staff of IW doesn't like fourzerotwo either. Some higher up at Activision is his uncle or something and got him the job. That should be of no surprise to anyone.

Dogs are much easier to kill, and yes, I play HC mode. I think the people who weren't good at MW are the ones who say the chopper wasn't that bad...I was always at the top of my team in pub servers and the chopper is coded to be realistic in that it goes for the 'biggest threat' so even though I'm completely covered in a brick building, oh look at that, I still get killed. GG wall hacking chopper that would kill me 3 times in a row while the 3-24 noob on my team who is running out in the open doesn't get killed once.

A lot of the things IW are adding to the game such as the gunship have already been implemented by modders. Jock Yitch over at BASHandSLASH has an article up pointing out at least five major things taken from the Extreme mod and put into MW2.

Anyway, there, we have all flamed a little, now back onto the topic b/c obviously there are IW fanboys who can't recognize the success of Treyarch, and there are those who hate IW, so be it. This is why we get the variety of the CoD series every couple of years...and also a new game every year so Activision can make more money.

[Immortal_Joker]

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I said once on Customcod.com an I will say it here

I am NOT a Infinity Ward fanboy an I am NOT a Treyarch fanboy I am a CALL OF DUTY fanboy.

I am a fan of the series not the Developers. Call of Duty is CALL OF DUTY no matter who developed the game.

[Stev0esque]

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maybe people who have sided with IW and people who have sided with trey- better get together and decide that activision have really bad human resources and need to fire BOTH community leaders. Either way, it seems we have a c*nt on either side.

[CptainCrunch]

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What would you do were you in IW position? IW actually tried to put in a co-op mode in MW, but ran out of time. Would you rather there be no grenades in MW2 because WaW had some? Think about what you are saying here.

The AC130 was a request from the COD community. Surely you saw the suggestion threads. Lots of people wanted to be able to control a gunship, just as they wanted a co-op mode and customizable killstreaks. IW is actually listening to the community and giving us what we are requesting.

Regarding perks and killstreaks, what more could a developer do? There are only so many perks that can be implemented. The list is simply too short.

Anyone on here have ideas for new perks?

Trey took a good game in MW and simply reskinned it. Sure, they added a few touches of their own, but its basically MW in a different era.


The heli was much easier to avoid and/or destroy than a pack of dogs (some of which were half under the map and invincible)

I know what I am saying. 402 needs to be civilized and shut up, simple as that.

I dont care what IW "meant" to do, they DIDNT. Treyarch did. The modding community did. To come out and say that they will add NOTHING treyarch has used and then someone like me already point out two things, now three with CTF being added, shows that 1. 402 doesn't know what he is talking about and needs to keep his mouth shut. and 2. Never say never.

Its as simple as that.

So, what would I do if I was in IWs position? Easy:

1. Remove 402 from his position.
2. Create a true "Old school" option in addition to HC and Regular mode.
3. Go over the suggestions people gave and see what are good and bad and not try to add everything.
4. Be sure the modding community has the tools to make this game go a long time.
5. Bring in DLC in a larger format, like Treyarch did.
6. Have a closed beta with real testing.
7. Talk with Treyarch on what they did well in W@W and see about implementing it.
8. Talk with Treyarch on what they did bad in W@W and be sure I dont implement it.
9. Improve weapon sounds which no CoD has done yet.

My posts main points was to say that 402 is being unprofessional and IW is already doing what 402 said they would not do. It has nothing to do with perks, community suggestions, or any other thing that you mentioned. They could add thousands of perks and killstreaks and whatever else and thats OK.

Also, dogs are very easy to kill in HC and I can still kill people at the same time. The heli, you just hide or cary a kit that can take it down, by yourself.

Crunch

[Immortal_Joker]

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I think Crunch is my new drinking buddy \m/

[CptainCrunch]

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I think Crunch is my new drinking buddy \m/

LOL, thanks Joker

My entire point is that 402 (and JD) have this awesome job and responsibility as the face of their respected games. Its high pressure and frustration, it has to be. They get attacked by everyone because they are the face. Then, on top of that, they dont always get told what is going on or are not allowed to say.

The thing is pressure and NDAs aside, its a really cool job that tons of fans and gamers would love to have so I would think it would be held at a higher, more professional level than this.

We have to remember they are human, but they also need to remember that as well. Maybe Treyarch says all this bad stuff about IW in private and thats why 402 publicly says all the stuff he says. That doesn't make it right though.

I love both CoD4 and W@W. Both had some great things and some bad things. I just feel that W@W is more polished and balanced than 4 was. Its just my opinion and only mine. Thats why it bugs me when people come out and trash one or the other game. For the most part, its simply not true.

Crunch