Operation Blue Pearl is the New BF2/BF2142 Map

[DontKnockIt225]

Re: Operation Blue Pearl is the New BF2/BF2142 Map

Random cone of fire bah. Perhaps it is random, but if you can control recoil well it makes very little difference. However guns such as the L8A12 and the PKM, the first bullet is extremely accurate which suggests these two guns are not "random".

Again showing your lack of knowledge in infantry games.

Cod4 it takes 3bullets a kill with a gun in anywhere in the body. The guns are far more accurate, and the hitboxes are near perfect. Because of the increased accuracy, it allows full auto spray to be used accurately. And so all this combined makes killing without a headshot far easier than BF2.

Bf2 on the other hand is 4 shots per kill (with AK or m16). Guns are less accurate + the off hitboxes makes dodging far easier and more effective. This for me makes the game more appealing than cod4 where you see someone and you die.

I played a promod version of cod4 where players were very good. On here you expose yourself too much and your killed, always killed lol. Not appealing for me who likes to run and get very close headshots.

[WolfAlmighty]

Re: Operation Blue Pearl is the New BF2/BF2142 Map

Random cone of fire bah. Perhaps it is random, but if you can control recoil well it makes very little difference. However guns such as the L8A12 and the PKM, the first bullet is extremely accurate which suggests these two guns are not "random".

That's true, but in addition to the visual recoil, there is also an added deviation per bullet, which is not accounted for visually, and is added every time you fire another bullet without letting the gun re-settle (in other words, anytime you burst, go full auto, or sometimes even tap off quick single shots). This is the random part and is impossible to account for. A good way to show this is to fire full auto at a wall (be sure you have your settings high enough to see bullet decals), and while the first shot may go where the ironsights are pointed, subsequent bullets will stray from that centre point despite how good you are at keeping the centre of the sight at that same point by using the mouse to control your recoil. This deviation increases with each bullet fired and is basically just an expanding circle around the centre of your crosshair, giving a 'cone' in which your bullets will go. Then again, since you always try to get closer in to your targets you may not notice the effects as much, but they're definitely there.

To compare, BF2142's guns are, in my experience, less reliant on deviation and more reliant on manual recoil control (anyone who plays regularly with the Baur can attest to this) to handle weapon inaccuracy, since the physical recoil on guns in ironsights mode is noticably greater than those in BF2, but at the same time shooting from the hip in BF2142 is far less accurate than doing so in BF2. I guess you could say this makes BF2 more arcadey and BF2142 more tactical.

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Cod4 it takes 3bullets a kill with a gun in anywhere in the body. The guns are far more accurate, and the hitboxes are near perfect. Because of the increased accuracy, it allows full auto spray to be used accurately. And so all this combined makes killing without a headshot far easier than BF2.

Bf2 on the other hand is 4 shots per kill (with AK or m16). Guns are less accurate + the off hitboxes makes dodging far easier and more effective. This for me makes the game more appealing than cod4 where you see someone and you die.

So you're saying BF2 infantry combat is better than COD4 because the engine is screwed up? You use dolphin diving and bunnyhopping to screw up your hitbox and the hitboxes are already wonky, and that is a good thing for you? How dare you insult another forum member here for not sharing your opinion that broken game mechanics are a good thing.:rawr
Quite a few people (millions, actually, if you want to look as the disparity of units sold) prefer infantry combat based on skill and normal recoil as opposed to the rolling-of-dice cone of fire. This is one of the main changes in competition mods for BF2, so even quite a few BF2 players disagree with you.
That cone of fire is why the G36e is one of the most used weapons in BF2. It has a smaller cone, so people use the hell out of it. If all weapons used a recoil based system instead of a random cone of fire, you would see a greater variety of weapons being used.

[DontKnockIt225]

Re: Operation Blue Pearl is the New BF2/BF2142 Map

You misinterpret me and then flame me lol. I gave a list of why i enjoy the game. I never said any game is better. Again I did not insult another forum member for not sharing my view. lol.

I would love hitboxes to be fixed, however it does contribute to the many things that makes shooting less accurate and enables me to get in close and fight.

The g36e is not used because it has a small cone of fire lol. This is just wrong.
Even if there is a random cone of fire, many players have managed to tame the recoil so well that it is not noticable. The majority of players do not know how to handle recoil well and so have a false belief that weapons in bf2 are extremely inaccurate.

[Wizrdwarts]

Re: Operation Blue Pearl is the New BF2/BF2142 Map

http://www.stupidjuice.net/bf2/bf2_compare_weapons.htm?left=g36e&right=m16a2&showall=false

It has more recoil and a smaller cone of fire than the M16.

I think you're the only one on the forums who enjoys the screwy hitboxes - always looking on the bright side of things eh?

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You misinterpret me and then flame me lol. I gave a list of why i enjoy the game. I never said any game is better. Again I did not insult another forum member for not sharing my view. lol.

Really? You haven't been flaming people in pretty much every post you've made on this subject?

WOW THAT IS SO RELEVENT. NOTTTT!! moron.

Please read my posts before making up a counter argument against a misinterpretation of my post. FOOL!

You noob LOL you dont deserve a forum account.

You sure about that?

And then you say you love broken hitboxes because it makes shooting less accurate, going on to say that weapons in BF2 aren't inaccurate at all. Which is it? You can't have it both ways.

Somehow you're "misinterpreted" a lot. Did you ever stop to think that maybe you're wrong and a flaming troll? Most of your posts center around telling other members that their opinions aren't allowed and that they are morons. All the while, you're wrong. Wow.

One of the points you think you "owned" was that clans are raped by the ranked server system. How can that even be disputed? In BF2, in order to get a ranked server you MUST pay. Usually it's >$1 a slot. Clans are paying >$50 per month to provide you with a playground in which to flop around. Anyone can run a ranked COD4 or W@W server from their house if they so choose. So, considering that is exactly what the guy said before, you flamed him based on your own biased, wrong interpretation of his post.

[troybob]

Re: Operation Blue Pearl is the New BF2/BF2142 Map

I would love hitboxes to be fixed, however it does contribute to the many things that makes shooting less accurate and enables me to get in close and fight.

Had I known I was arguing with an idiot this whole time, I would have saved the forum some posts. :evil:

[FPS[SONIC]]

Re: Operation Blue Pearl is the New BF2/BF2142 Map

That's true, but in addition to the visual recoil, there is also an added deviation per bullet, which is not accounted for visually, and is added every time you fire another bullet without letting the gun re-settle (in other words, anytime you burst, go full auto, or sometimes even tap off quick single shots). This is the random part and is impossible to account for. A good way to show this is to fire full auto at a wall (be sure you have your settings high enough to see bullet decals), and while the first shot may go where the ironsights are pointed, subsequent bullets will stray from that centre point despite how good you are at keeping the centre of the sight at that same point by using the mouse to control your recoil. This deviation increases with each bullet fired and is basically just an expanding circle around the centre of your crosshair, giving a 'cone' in which your bullets will go. Then again, since you always try to get closer in to your targets you may not notice the effects as much, but they're definitely there.

To compare, BF2142's guns are, in my experience, less reliant on deviation and more reliant on manual recoil control (anyone who plays regularly with the Baur can attest to this) to handle weapon inaccuracy, since the physical recoil on guns in ironsights mode is noticably greater than those in BF2, but at the same time shooting from the hip in BF2142 is far less accurate than doing so in BF2. I guess you could say this makes BF2 more arcadey and BF2142 more tactical.

QFT. :salute:

Had I known I was arguing with an idiot this whole time, I would have saved the forum some posts. :evil:

Well, some of us figured it out a whole lot earlier... LOL. I grow weary of the 'smash and bash' mentality around here. What ever happened to the good old days of knowledge sharing?

All we get around here any more is trollish, self-serving, domination-bound drivel piped down these already clogged Internet1 tubes...

[DontKnockIt225]

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Really? You haven't been flaming people in pretty much every post you've made on this subject?

You change your argument again, in a terrible attempt to make me look wrong? Ha and these people believe it, shows such a lack of education in the art of "debate".

I said I do not flame people for not agreeing with me. I flame people when they are totally wrong. Can you see the difference??

And then you say you love broken hitboxes because it makes shooting less accurate, going on to say that weapons in BF2 aren't inaccurate at all. Which is it? You can't have it both ways.

Again i never said this. I said I love fighting up close. I said that many things in BF2 allow this, and this is why i prefer it to cod4. I would love better hitboxes. I have tried tweaking and experiments for ages trying to get it. I have always argued that the 1.50patch should fix hitboxes cause with good hitboxes bf2 would be a brilliant game if release in 2008.

Please read my posts, stop taking it out of context then trashing it.

Somehow you're "misinterpreted" a lot. Did you ever stop to think that maybe you're wrong and a flaming troll? Most of your posts center around telling other members that their opinions aren't allowed and that they are morons. All the while, you're wrong. Wow.

Good point lol. Moron

One of the points you think you "owned" was that clans are raped by the ranked server system. How can that even be disputed? In BF2, in order to get a ranked server you MUST pay. Usually it's >$1 a slot. Clans are paying >$50 per month to provide you with a playground in which to flop around. Anyone can run a ranked COD4 or W@W server from their house if they so choose. So, considering that is exactly what the guy said before, you flamed him based on your own biased, wrong interpretation of his post.

I dont understand you post.
I apologised for my lack of knowledge on the subject. I will happily admit when I am wrong.





Finally G36E is not the best medic gun. It is only so popular amongst public players because they like to go prone at every oppotunity that they fire.
When a prone player using G36e goes up against a prone opponant, the G36e has a very high success rate at winning.

This is because:
Higher rate of fire than other medic guns.
More accurate against static opponants.

This allows it to perform brilliantly in a prone vs prone fight. As most players naturally go prone on Bf2 when fighting, this gun has become very popular.
It is not to do with random cone of fire lol, unless by this you are saying that it is popular because it is accurate. In which you totally over complicated it.

[jesus]

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You change your argument again, in a terrible attempt to make me look wrong? Ha and these people believe it, shows such a lack of education in the art of "debate".

I said I do not flame people for not agreeing with me. I flame people when they are totally wrong. Can you see the difference??

Irony.

[FPS[SONIC]]

Re: Operation Blue Pearl is the New BF2/BF2142 Map

I think the point has been made.

Some here only see things their way and that's the only what it is for them. The rest of us are driveling idiots who shound have our rights to to freely post revoked because too much reality and helpful information contained within can cause confusion and misunderstandings. Instead, we are expected to viciously attack the person who posted above us because there is obviously something very wrong with them today -- and they must know about it. Oh, and the rest of the world, too.

Tomeis, you really need to work on your parking skills. Noob!

/end aside

[sm007h]

Re: Operation Blue Pearl is the New BF2/BF2142 Map

This is the first time in years I've seen someone seriously argue that the cone of fire doesn't exist. I'm not sure how to take his posts, other than to ignore him for trolling.

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