DICE on TotalBF2 - Game Feedback Answered

[Jumintiger]

Re: DICE on TotalBF2 - Game Feedback Answered

Totally agree with you Ownage. WE as the consumer need to crack down and seriously say, "WE WILL NOT GIVE YOU MONEY UNTIL YOU GIVE US SOMETHING WORTH IT". And just say that we will not take any more bull crap from a company that will only destroy what could have been a good game.

I'm playing BF2 till the end. And then when 2142 comes out, I will go to stores that sell it and put post it notes on all the copies that say that the game contained is total and utter crap.

[|TOC|Forgotten_1]

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In regards to 0wn4g3's post. RIGHT ON MAN!

I couldn't have expressed your novel any better, and it really does sum up this BF2 B.S.

They are making BF2142 out to be the improved version of BF2 with everything fixed. That utterly disgusts me!

To be honest, after beta testing BF2 for over a year now so they can build BF2142, I have been ripped off! For the thousands of dollars my team has invested into providing a community server that continually crashes because EA/Dice completely lost track of how to be our teammate, and especially for the ignorant failed delivery on the promises they made us believe for BF2, that to this day still exist.

I will be moving my focus over to Armed Assualt (ArmA) once that is released!

I've been with this Franchise since day 1 of BF1942 and am quite saddened by all of this.

[imported_|TOC|Beachwood]

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I too will be moving on to Armored Assualt. It is more of a simulation based first person shooter, and BF2 is more of a "PlaySchool" version of combat. I was an Infantryman in the U.S. Army, so almost everything about the U.S. weapons/vehicles in BF2 really make me laugh. If you are reading any of this EA/DICE get your head out of your *** before you lose any more loyal fans. As for me it is too late.....

[|TOC|TerribleOne]

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Holy Dangleberries. That was a long post pwnage. Everything has been said. It is quite sad when EA/Dice turn all of their custumers into beta testers for BF2142. Anyways...

[0wn4g3]

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Hmm I would be interested in seeing a reply or two by those so called media groups such as TBF2, PBF, BF Podcast ect reply to my media topic.

[jarm8181]

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Awsome post 0wn4g3 right on point.
I think you scared jarm8181 off.

Scared me right off? Oh yes I was so scared at the big bad post that "Own4g3" posted. I have never in my life been so scared at such a profound collection of words typed out and displayed right before me on my computer screen.

Since you and "Own4g3" (clever name, I get it, that's what you kids call "leet speak" right? It's pronounced Ownage. A word that surely can be found in Webster or Merriam) seem to be unemployed or on summer break, you seem to think a couple days past would mean I was "scared off".

To address some of the "nonsense" of Ownage's post:

All it takes is for me to read a thread like this until my blood starts to boil.

I made your blood boil? Are you that psychologically damaged that a post about a computer video game would make your blood boil?

First of all Jarm8181 let me be the first to tell you that you are part of the minority when it comes to BF2.

Which should mean what? Ever heard of Argumentum ad populum?

Let me begin this freaking diary by quoting numerous things in your post.

And a long winded diary it is. I think one day it will be found in your attic and be published, perhaps it will be even more popular than the Diary of Ann Frank. Yes I can see it now. The Diary of Mr. Ownage, subtitle, "How a gamer lived through the horrors of playing a game for a year and got no satisfaction".

Perhaps some are carrying on like little children but the majority of them are not. When you take a look at the big picture, EA is a huge corporation, perhaps the Walmart of gaming <- don't quote me on that just something Ive heard. At any rate these guys are out to make money because every corporation somehow someway turns into a money feast.

Yes quite the astute observation. A corporation, like every single other business in existence, is out to make money. In fact, we all go to work, to make money. In such a profound way, you seem to have finally stumbled accross the concept of "Capitalism", the notion that people voluntarily trade goods and services with one another. Very good Mr. Ownage! And you certainly are not in the minority you speak of that's acting like a child.

Also look at how many resources/supposed talent/license EA has. Of course this game could have been better. As Sir Typhoon stated earlier in this thread, the game was released as if no one at their development studios tested the damn thing. It's as if they have no clue.

Yes, and as I said, there were negatives to the game. Thanks for belaboring the point.

Those who play BF2 are gamers, of course but they are also consumers. Many of us who have been with the BF Franchise since BF1942 pre-ordered and purchased BF2 for $50-$60.00 USD more or less in different countries with different currencies. That makes us consumers.

Yes very astute observation once again! You have discovered one component of "Capitalism", the "consumer". Yes, a "consumer" is defined as the individual that exchanges "currency" for a good or service in return. Bravo!

As a consumer we have every right to ***** and moan about the company/parties involved about how bad this product we purchased really is. Most of us have given over a year's worth of patience to EA/DICE and I feel that 1.4 will truly be the tipping point or at least I hope so. The bottom line is, there are thousands of angry consumers or customers who purchased an expensive bug ridden game that shows ALMOST no signs of getting any better.

You've given a 50 dollar purchase, a video game no less, a year to contemplate? You say it's not gotten any better, have you played the same game that I have? Do you honestly think the game has not gotten ANY better since its release?

Glad to see that your not experiencing CTD's every other time you play or when your about to get that really hard medal or badge. Also glad to see that you are actually able to play on servers that get you through the entire round without crashing. Why don't you share with us your secrets to fun and consistent gameplay.

Oh yes! I've certainly had my fair share of CTD! No secret there Mr. Ownage. Yet it doesn't CTD every single second of gameplay for the entire year. No Mr. Ownage, in fact I've gotten full rounds of gameplay, with those badges and awards you speak of. But once again, as you so astutely point out, there are negatives with the game. Since I already pointed out there have been negatives about the game, I've still had a blast playing it over the past year. Hence, the positives outweigh the negatives. Perhaps one day you can understand the concept of cost-benefit analysis, but alas, you seem to have just grasped the concept of "Capitalism" and "Consumer", let's not get ahead of ourselves shall we? Perhaps next year we can get to that part of the cirriculum.

First of all I don't see many retailers taking back BF2 for an exchange or for a refund at this stage of the game or I would of done so already.

A refund a year after the product was purchased? What store on this planet Earth can you get a refund a full year after you purchased a product?

There are a ton of reasons why someone would still be playing this game even though it is at this point.

I'm sorry, was this a sentence? Even though it is what at this point? A game?

I also think that a lot of people play BF2 just because they are dedicated to the franchise. They have this hope that BF2 will one day be an excellent game overall that the majority of people can enjoy. Where the bugs are just little nuisances rather than game ending/crashing experiences.

Would such dedication in the face of such adversity, really be a rational choice of action? No less, playing the broken terrible videogame for a year's time? That is some kind of dedication. Although I suspect it's not just this abstraction of "dedication" you speak of that keeps people playing this game for a year now. I have not met anyone that would put them self through that kind of torture for a year's time. Could it perhaps have something to do with the game being fun to play? Nah, it's dedication to the franchise and some fleeting hope after a year's time and several patches the game will finally be fun for them. Makes you wonder what mystical powers this game has to keep them so dedicated in the face of such irrationality. What makes them so stupidly masochistic?

Ok I have spoken my piece for now and have calmed down.

Well that's good. Don't want that blood boiling. I'd hate to think I would be the cause of a heart attack. Didn't know I had such a profound affect on you Mr. Ownage. Good luck with the game.

[JonnyMacFred102]

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Scared me right off? Oh yes I was so scared at the big bad post that "Own4g3" posted. I have never in my life been so scared at such a profound collection of words typed out and displayed right before me on my computer screen.

Since you and "Own4g3" (clever name, I get it, that's what you kids call "leet speak" right? It's pronounced Ownage. A word that surely can be found in Webster or Merriam) seem to be unemployed or on summer break, you seem to think a couple days past would mean I was "scared off".

To address some of the "nonsense" of Ownage's post:



I made your blood boil? Are you that psychologically damaged that a post about a computer video game would make your blood boil?



Which should mean what? Ever heard of Argumentum ad populum?



And a long winded diary it is. I think one day it will be found in your attic and be published, perhaps it will be even more popular than the Diary of Ann Frank. Yes I can see it now. The Diary of Mr. Ownage, subtitle, "How a gamer lived through the horrors of playing a game for a year and got no satisfaction".



Yes quite the astute observation. A corporation, like every single other business in existence, is out to make money. In fact, we all go to work, to make money. In such a profound way, you seem to have finally stumbled accross the concept of "Capitalism", the notion that people voluntarily trade goods and services with one another. Very good Mr. Ownage! And you certainly are not in the minority you speak of that's acting like a child.



Yes, and as I said, there were negatives to the game. Thanks for belaboring the point.



Yes very astute observation once again! You have discovered one component of "Capitalism", the "consumer". Yes, a "consumer" is defined as the individual that exchanges "currency" for a good or service in return. Bravo!



You've given a 50 dollar purchase, a video game no less, a year to contemplate? You say it's not gotten any better, have you played the same game that I have? Do you honestly think the game has not gotten ANY better since its release?



Oh yes! I've certainly had my fair share of CTD! No secret there Mr. Ownage. Yet it doesn't CTD every single second of gameplay for the entire year. No Mr. Ownage, in fact I've gotten full rounds of gameplay, with those badges and awards you speak of. But once again, as you so astutely point out, there are negatives with the game. Since I already pointed out there have been negatives about the game, I've still had a blast playing it over the past year. Hence, the positives outweigh the negatives. Perhaps one day you can understand the concept of cost-benefit analysis, but alas, you seem to have just grasped the concept of "Capitalism" and "Consumer", let's not get ahead of ourselves shall we? Perhaps next year we can get to that part of the cirriculum.



A refund a year after the product was purchased? What store on this planet Earth can you get a refund a full year after you purchased a product?



I'm sorry, was this a sentence? Even though it is what at this point? A game?



Would such dedication in the face of such adversity, really be a rational choice of action? No less, playing the broken terrible videogame for a year's time? That is some kind of dedication. Although I suspect it's not just this abstraction of "dedication" you speak of that keeps people playing this game for a year now. I have not met anyone that would put them self through that kind of torture for a year's time. Could it perhaps have something to do with the game being fun to play? Nah, it's dedication to the franchise and some fleeting hope after a year's time and several patches the game will finally be fun for them. Makes you wonder what mystical powers this game has to keep them so dedicated in the face of such irrationality. What makes them so stupidly masochistic?



Well that's good. Don't want that blood boiling. I'd hate to think I would be the cause of a heart attack. Didn't know I had such a profound affect on you Mr. Ownage. Good luck with the game.

You actually took the time to write all that:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[imported_DANK]

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^^^^^
You copy and pasted that whole thing; irony.

He answered all the questions with the cold hard truth.

PCs are complicated and I think most of us who have been gaming and doing PCs as a hobby understand the business and the shorter impatience of today's users.

Unfortunately the minority will continue to get shorted on some ends; that is just the way it works. You cannot satisfy everyone in the land of Utopian PC world. Sometimes the minority will be the majority who are shouting on the net (Linux?) and some people just do not care about the little problems and go on with their lives.

I have had some bad investments in PCs losing out on money because of incompatibility; it sucks but suck up the tears and march on. Not saying to not complain but do not exaggerate the problems.

[<EsP>Fury]

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Fanboy's like Jarm8181 can be a real pain sometimes.
You seem to like making excuses for them.
The bottom line is this no one blames EA/Dice for making a profit they have shareholders & Board to answer too. What I object to is shoddy workmanship
and putting out a product that by any measure you care to use is substandard CTD memmory leaks & server crashes every few hours are UNACCEPTABLE!!! Their responce to these problems is also unacceptable and please don't try to tell me they did not know it had all these problems. What they should do is stablize the code base first i.e. fix those issuses. Then if they wish add new content or change the game play they are free to do so. Since this game came out every patch has introduced more bugs than they have fixed and game play has suffered and before you start I am not one of those dolfin diving bunny hoping numb nuts its true I have almost 1400hrs in this game but that does not mean I am going to sit back and take it. They have screwed up big time and they really should make it right and not some half a""sed atempt and they should do it ASAP.

[0wn4g3]

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Since you and "Own4g3" (clever name, I get it, that's what you kids call "leet speak" right? It's pronounced Ownage. A word that surely can be found in Webster or Merriam) seem to be unemployed or on summer break, you seem to think a couple days past would mean I was "scared off".

Ok first of all I have no association with that user who posted about scaring you off.


Secondly, my handle on the forums displayed as 0wn4g3 has been my handle for a number of different things over the course of a few years. I am what you would call a netizen and followed through with the whole craze of leet speak as it's called. 0wn4g3 is a lot better than ownage because it's not taken on a number of the forums I frequent. Who cares if you can find it in Webster or Merriam. I bet if I look up jarm8181 I'll end up with the same results from looking up 0wn4g3.


Thirdly, I do not understand how you can automatically assume that because of fury's comments we are both unemployed or on summer vacation. I have a 40 hour a week job working the 3^rd shift at a grocery store that nets me about $400.00 a week. I think that remark you made is pretty arrogant to say the least.


You didn't make my blood boil per say. I read this thread and it was yet another thread that showed how bad of a job EA/DICE is doing. My tolerance level for EA/DICE is just about nonexistent and I am now in the process of speaking my mind on a lot of the issues I see. Many people bash EA and do so without any thought. I at least take the time to think out my explanation for my reasoning and thus presented it in that forum post I made. I also read your post and just wanted to clearly illustrate that you are part of the minority that enjoys BF2 and that was the critical issue I was trying to get across. Wouldn't it be better if in fact the minority of people were the ones who disliked BF2? Chances are this thread wouldn't even exist if that were the case since so many people would be enjoying BF2 too much to register and ***** about it.


Instead of debating my post it would appear as if you stripped a lot of what I said and turned it into personal attacks which is not necessary and does not look good on your part. My bit about EA being a huge corporation was just to show that like every other corporation so it would seem cares too much about money and their bottom line more so than the quality of the products they are selling and their customers.



Further evidence that relates to this fact is the way EA/DICE are marketing 2142. Instead of providing a voucher or coupon to purchase 2142 they are instead marketing that game to be the fixed improved version of BF2 which I think is a bad business practice. In my mind that means I have to shell out $50-$60 more bucks in order to get a supposedly good product when the product I already purchased from the same company is a load of crap.


My bit about consumers was merely an explanation of your comment

“Should we voice our concerns and wishes for changes and fixes for the game? Yes of course. But the way people carry on, you'd think we were entitled to these changes. “

Because we are consumers and because we spent our hard earned money on their product and instead got a bunch of crap then yes we are very much entitled to these changes that we discuss. If these changes took place and the majority of people could agree on them it would at least justify the cash we spent on this game.

“You've given a 50 dollar purchase, a video game no less, a year to contemplate? You say it's not gotten any better, have you played the same game that I have? Do you honestly think the game has not gotten ANY better since its release?”

As of right now, No I think the game has not gotten any better since it's release. It has done nothing but get worst. I don't want to voice my opinions on this matter alone but instead just check out the backlog of all the community updates / patch releases and they shall speak the truth for me. I think of BF2 this way, One Step Forward Two Steps Back. That is BF2's motto. As for playing the same game you have? I guess not since your having fun and quite a blast playing while I am having a hard time just finishing a round without seeing my desktop.


Please explain

“concept of cost-benefit analysis “

so that today may be the day I understand it.

“but alas, you seem to have just grasped the concept of "Capitalism" and "Consumer", let's not get ahead of ourselves shall we? Perhaps next year we can get to that part of the cirriculum.”

your basically insulting my intelligence based on the text I have placed on the forum. I am not a moron by any stretch of the imagination and my previous post is evidence of that fact. I just like to view things by looking at the big picture.


I only said

“First of all I don't see many retailers taking back BF2 for an exchange or for a refund at this stage of the game or I would of done so already. “

because this was my explanation to your comments of

“And if you have grown tired of it, try out some of the mods. Or *gasp* try purchasing another game! “

Instead of getting my money back you would like others to spend even more money looking for a quality product. Sure I could try out some of the mods but I already explained why I haven't.

“Also playing mods is a good idea but keep in mind that a lot of the bugs/glitches caused by the actual engine of BF2 and the games code will also in a lot of ways affect the mods. Also keep in mind that these mods contain their own set of bugs/glitches so it seems like a never ending circle of holes to fall into.”

“There are a ton of reasons why someone would still be playing this game even though it is at this point. “

Ok so you found something terribly wrong in my dialog which translates to a possible run on sentence. Quite honestly I am glad you didn't call the grammar police on me as well. Oh well, this little rant has nothing to do with the big picture.

“Would such dedication in the face of such adversity, really be a rational choice of action? No less, playing the broken terrible videogame for a year's time? That is some kind of dedication. Although I suspect it's not just this abstraction of "dedication" you speak of that keeps people playing this game for a year now. I have not met anyone that would put them self through that kind of torture for a year's time. Could it perhaps have something to do with the game being fun to play? Nah, it's dedication to the franchise and some fleeting hope after a year's time and several patches the game will finally be fun for them. Makes you wonder what mystical powers this game has to keep them so dedicated in the face of such irrationality. What makes them so stupidly masochistic? “

I am part of a BF2 team that has been together since the early Desert Combat days. We are a group of people that enjoy playing the same games together and from DC onwards we have been big fans of the BF Franchise. Playing with your friends and team mate is fun which is why we continue to play together in BF2 despite everything that's wrong. This is some of the dedication I am talking about. For many the ranking system and the prospects of having fun on those few servers that have good players is enough to keep them playing.


What I am trying to say is that many people do not want to spend the money on other games. Secondly many people that play this game know for a fact that this game could be so much better so they wait and wait and wait for that time to come hoping that EA/DICE get off that cash flow horse and come back to reality ala 1.4 perhaps?

“Makes you wonder what mystical powers this game has to keep them so dedicated in the face of such irrationality. “

It's not really a mystical power but the power of HOPE is pretty strong.

“Well that's good. Don't want that blood boiling. I'd hate to think I would be the cause of a heart attack. Didn't know I had such a profound affect on you Mr. Ownage. Good luck with the game.”

You alone could never give me a heart attack and you are not the sole reason I posted in the first place. I merely stated my opinions that related to this thread along with my opinions based on your apparent happiness with this game. EA/DICE could give me a heart attack due to the amount of anger they generate but not you.

[DuffMan]

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All thie macho crap over problems with a video game. Please.

[0wn4g3]

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All thie macho crap over problems with a video game. Please.

What are you talking about?

[Chris_Redfield]

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Im certainly not a fanboy of EA. Not for a long time. The crap that Burnout is now, and which awesomeness it was before, is enough for me. I deliberately put BF2 on a shelf (well, traded for a "period of time" with my buddy for SWAT4 TSS) after I got my dose of the game. I can honestly say that since the Demo, to retail, up to somewhere in Septembr, I got my full enjoyement from the game. It was good. I paid for 1.0 version of the game. Not 1.3. And so did you. And 1.0 didnt crash that whole lot, my crashes came from my weak system, and that spretty much it. Up until DICE started working heavily on gameplay balance, things went downwards. So basically, you can blame the whiner, yet dont try to excuse EA/DICE for their poor sense of responsibility.

Anyway, what Im trying to say is, whoever wants a refund is a total retard. You got the game in the form it was meant to be played at first, play it. It was good enough. How much did you pay for the game? 30-60 bucks? Was th emoney worth it? For me, hell yes. Im also not the kind of guy who has one game on his PC just in case a patch ruins the whole game. Ive got variety.

Im also the kind of guy who, in case of a severly ****ed up patch would just revert to the best settings that worked for me, until a good patch comes out. I mean, how dumb do you have to be to not to accept such a simple solution (temporary!) for a problem such as this?

I support what Ownage has said, with some disagreements, but I also know the other side of the argument.

Be reasonable god damnit! Patch aint working? Stay with 1.22 until it gets fixed, then move on to 1.4. You dont like inbalance? New gameplay? Revert! Its as simple as it can get.

DICE is under the pressure from the community and EA. So if you REALLY want to help to get things changed, get that head out of your *** and propose a viable solution to the problems. I know bitching and moaning is fun, but self-moderation and some reason wouldnt hurt either.

[colony]

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As much as I hate the fact that there are still gameplay balance issues and bugs, you have to expect that 2142 will be better not because of this stupid conspiracy of bf2 being a huge beta for it, but because of the time with the engine. BF2 was a whole new engine, and with new engines come bugs. As the devs spend more time with it, they find tricks and ways to improve it and eliminate bugs.

Anyway, they have two different teams working on Battlefield at the moment, which they arent always on the same page.

The biggest problem is the huge wait for the server crash fix. The crash to desktop happens like once every 6 hours or so of gameplay for me. Server crashes happen much more frequently which is ridiculous.

[{TKM}MiK]

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Well done ownage mate, keep fighting the fight for those of us who see the truth.