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yaaaaay, now they are saying "screw you, you're just the gamers, we aren't gunna listen to your suggestions" to us INDIVIDUALLY rather than as a group!!
all these CTD issues that they are focusing on first are less important than the j10. if i get disconnected from a server occasionally or have a crash to desktop, im not even close to as pissed as i am when im flying a jsf in wake and there is a j10 on me and i do crazy turns and drop flares and i watch in the reverse view as the j10 launches 2 rockets and and they avoid my flares and fly in perpendicularly to my direction and then turn instantly and kill me. THAT is ********.
You know I've been playing this game for a year. I've had a lot of enjoyment in that year playing, I think I've put in 700 hours. I know damn well I've gotten more than my money's worth out of this game. I haven't put that kind of time into any other game I've purchased in the past. I also know there's no way I could have made a game like that.
It's interesting to see so many people carry on like little children, insisting the world should be exactly like the way they think it should. As if they could've done a better job making a game, and the fact they've been playing it for a year, means it's not as bad as they make it out to be.
Have I had my frustrations with this game? Yes. But with any endeavor in life, you have to weigh the positives with the negatives. It's been more of a positive experience than a negative one, which means it's been worth playing.
Should we voice our concerns and wishes for changes and fixes for the game? Yes of course. But the way people carry on, you'd think we were entitled to these changes. Not to mention, one person's wish for a gameplay tweak is another person's dread of a gameplay change. Everyone is not going to agree on what the perfect Battlefield game should look like. If you don't like the game, why have you been playing for a year? And if you have grown tired of it, try out some of the mods. Or *gasp* try purchasing another game!
Regarding the increase (or lack thereof) of repair points -
I would like to know from this community, who DOES have the expert repair, and how did you get it?
Thought process being, if you got it legit or by some sort of 'stat padding' maneuver. If 100 people reply and like 5 got it legit, then there is most certainly an issue with that. I guarantee that the other badges are much easier to get by comparison.
I would like to know from this community, who DOES have the expert repair, and how did you get it?
Thought process being, if you got it legit or by some sort of 'stat padding' maneuver. If 100 people reply and like 5 got it legit, then there is most certainly an issue with that. I guarantee that the other badges are much easier to get by comparison.
I got it but it took me like 3 solid days...I was sitting in an apc in warlord and sas kept coming back to destroy assests and by mid round (10 on 10 on a 64 player map) I had 25...I honestly couldn't believe it because all the other times I got like 17 or 18 and a few 21's but never enough to get expert repair. I would repair uav and arty on the east side of the map then drive over to repair scan and other arty and next thing I new uav and the arty I JUST repaired was already blown up...I looked around and didn't see the spec ops but I did get a few kills but it was mainly repair points.
It just takes the right "time" to get that badge...sucks though. Expert supply = a damn joke to get and expert heal was a little harder but not as hard as expert repair :hmm: .
Jam
You know , yesterday I logged in UT2K4 and got that strange feeling that the server will crash in 2 minutes, but it didn't, wow what a surprise! took me some time to get into the "stable game" feeling.
UT2K4 is also a very complicated game, and it runs perfectly, saying that a game is complicated is no excuse for releasing an unstable build, if DICE couldn't fix BF2 before this Christmas, they should have released the game one year later.
Releasing a unfinished program is a serious market-ethics issue, you cant expect from a publisher/developer that does such thing, to actually act in a appropriate way. we need to face it, we have been deceived to waste money on unfinished game, the only thing we can do about it is to stop buying EA products until they'll change their policy.
Jam
You know , yesterday I logged in UT2K4 and got that strange feeling that the server will crash in 2 minutes, but it didn't, wow what a surprise! took me some time to get into the "stable game" feeling.
UT2K4 is also a very complicated game, and it runs perfectly, saying that a game is complicated is no excuse for releasing an unstable build, if DICE couldn't fix BF2 before this Christmas, they should have released the game one year later.
Releasing a unfinished program is a serious market-ethics issue, you cant expect from a publisher/developer that does such thing, to actually act in a appropriate way. we need to face it, we have been deceived to waste money on unfinished game, the only thing we can do about it is to stop buying EA products until they'll change their policy.
That wasn't Dice's decision, overall Dice Sweeden are doing a good job but in the end its EA who say when the game is released, its EA who say what bugs get fixed and what bugs don't get fixed, its EA who say what stays in the game and what goes.
Dice just code the game with the time they are given by EA.
That wasn't Dice's decision, overall Dice Sweeden are doing a good job but in the end its EA who say when the game is released, its EA who say what bugs get fixed and what bugs don't get fixed, its EA who say what stays in the game and what goes.
Dice just code the game with the time they are given by EA.
While I agree with you than an independent Dice would not have released a product that has had this many issues as BF 2 has their fate was sealed when EA began the proccess to buy them and ended when the sale was complete.
We have been dealing with EA in the driver seat from the start and this is why the game is in it's current state and I doubt it will change much.
All it takes is for me to read a thread like this until my blood starts to boil. First of all Jarm8181 let me be the first to tell you that you are part of the minority when it comes to BF2. Let me begin this freaking diary by quoting numerous things in your post.
First,
“It's interesting to see so many people carry on like little children, insisting the world should be exactly like the way they think it should. As if they could've done a better job making a game, and the fact they've been playing it for a year, means it's not as bad as they make it out to be.”
Perhaps some are carrying on like little children but the majority of them are not. When you take a look at the big picture, EA is a huge corporation, perhaps the Walmart of gaming <- don't quote me on that just something Ive heard. At any rate these guys are out to make money because every corporation somehow someway turns into a money feast. Also look at how many resources/supposed talent/license EA has. Of course this game could have been better. As Sir Typhoon stated earlier in this thread, the game was released as if no one at their development studios tested the damn thing. It's as if they have no clue.
Those who play BF2 are gamers, of course but they are also consumers. Many of us who have been with the BF Franchise since BF1942 pre-ordered and purchased BF2 for $50-$60.00 USD more or less in different countries with different currencies. That makes us consumers. We had no idea by means of the beta test and the trailers shown that the game was going to turn out this way. As a consumer we have every right to ***** and moan about the company/parties involved about how bad this product we purchased really is. Most of us have given over a year's worth of patience to EA/DICE and I feel that 1.4 will truly be the tipping point or at least I hope so. The bottom line is, there are thousands of angry consumers or customers who purchased an expensive bug ridden game that shows ALMOST no signs of getting any better.
Second
“It's been more of a positive experience than a negative one, which means it's been worth playing.”
Glad to see that your not experiencing CTD's every other time you play or when your about to get that really hard medal or badge. Also glad to see that you are actually able to play on servers that get you through the entire round without crashing. Why don't you share with us your secrets to fun and consistent gameplay.
Third
“Should we voice our concerns and wishes for changes and fixes for the game? Yes of course. But the way people carry on, you'd think we were entitled to these changes.”
In many ways we are since we are the consumers and we purchased a broken product although this wasn't known at the time, it certainly has been proved over and over and over again. As I said before with all of the reactions from EA/DICE and their supposedly community involvement and all of this hype surrounding 1.4 I believe it is the tipping point either sending hundreds of people over the edge of insanity or placing many people back over the good side of the fence willing to forgive EA somewhat.
Fourth
“Not to mention, one person's wish for a gameplay tweak is another person's dread of a gameplay change. Everyone is not going to agree on what the perfect Battlefield game should look like. “
Guess what, I totally agree with you on that subject.
Fifth
“If you don't like the game, why have you been playing for a year? And if you have grown tired of it, try out some of the mods.”
First of all I don't see many retailers taking back BF2 for an exchange or for a refund at this stage of the game or I would of done so already. There are a ton of reasons why someone would still be playing this game even though it is at this point. Things such as team or clan commitments, perhaps it's the only game they have, perhaps one is waiting and waiting and will wake up one day to see that EA has fixed all of the wrongs with a right patch. Also playing mods is a good idea but keep in mind that a lot of the bugs/glitches caused by the actual engine of BF2 and the games code will also in a lot of ways affect the mods. Also keep in mind that these mods contain their own set of bugs/glitches so it seems like a never ending circle of holes to fall into.
I also think that a lot of people play BF2 just because they are dedicated to the franchise. They have this hope that BF2 will one day be an excellent game overall that the majority of people can enjoy. Where the bugs are just little nuisances rather than game ending/crashing experiences.
Ok so there are my points based on your post that I wanted to get off my chest. Now I want to spill my beans with this thread. First of all let me start off by saying that their responses to these questions appear to be on the "We could do this but we can't really be bothered" But, in numerous reviews and interviews surrounding BF2142 we are promised that a lot of what we complain and gripe about is fixed. We are told that they have learned their lesson and that BF2142 will be the best thing ever released.
I understand that they are working on 2142 and are turning everything into a sales pitch for the freaking game but as I see it, 2142 is a revised and optimized BF2 engine. Therefor just how hard would it be to implement a lot of the fixes in 2142 back into BF2. I mean cmon, it seems like all of the problems in BF2 are translating to a good sales pitch for 2142. Does anyone else see this situation is this retrospect?
Who remembers BF:V Redux? At the time I really think they just released that as a quick money maker for all the suckers out their however at this point in time I wouldn't mind them taking BF2 and REDUXING it and then re-releasing it at a very discounted price. Maybe provide a voucher or something to get it really cheap for all of those who have purchased BF2 originally. That way people who wanted to play BF2 could get that version for $20 or so and all of us consumers who have had to put up with EA's bullcrap for the past year would finally get a stable product. Or at least thats the gist of the idea.
Let me also tell you how much the media hasn't been helping. You get these sites like TBF2, Planet Battlefield, All these gaming magazines, Battlefield Podcasts and others gaining the opportunities to talk to people such as Colin Clarke or an EA/DICE developer and the only thing they can do is ask about 2142 so they can be the first ones with the news to generate traffic and what have you. They don't ask questions such as
“Wouldn't it of made sense for EA/DICE to release a hotfix that at least immediately addressed the server crashing issues caused by 1.3?”
“Why do you keep adding more content to the game when in the end it causes new problems to arise?”
“Do you guys at EA/DICE ever see a day where BF2 will be a quality product that doesn't make a consumer feel like they have been ripped off?”
“Why is it that EA/DICE claim to have fixed numerous bugs from BF2, a game that has been purchased by thousands of people into a game that no one has purchased yet?”
“Why is it that near the beginning of BF2's life cycle EA/DICE promised to give mod teams the same exact tools the developers used to create the game, then didn't deliver on their promises. And when EA/DICE finally released the mod tools they were shipped broken?”
Ohh that's right, it's because if you grew the balls to ask the questions that matter (while keeping in mind that in my eyes these are just some of the questions that I feel matter) it would be the last time you ever got an interview like that. Really now someone tell me why the media can't ask questions like that?
Ok I have spoken my piece for now and have calmed down. The more I see Sir.SuperTyphoons forum posts the more I like him lol.
All it takes is for me to read a thread like this until my blood starts to boil. First of all Jarm8181 let me be the first to tell you that you are part of the minority when it comes to BF2. Let me begin this freaking diary by quoting numerous things in your post.
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Ok I have spoken my piece for now and have calmed down. The more I see Sir.SuperTyphoons forum posts the more I like him lol.
OMG... i am speechless at your whole post which was too long to quote. Every damn thing in there is accurate and totally right. If Dice read that, who knows what would happen. I have nothing else to say, nothing can top this post.
Oh and thanks for the comment. As you can see, i know how EA (mostly) works and gladly give my opinions of how EA treats us like crap with bf2.
EDIT: The last three numbers in my post count are 666 as of this post...
Heh finally someone who agrees with me and someone I can agree with. That **** doesnt happen to often.
The honest fact of the matter truth is that the only real way for businesses like EA to listen and to bump up the quality level of their products is to speak with your money and by not purchasing that companies products. Unfourtanetly EA is so big that even if everyone on the TotalBF2 forum did'nt buy 2142 and boycotted it, they would probably still make a profit from all of those that still bought the game.
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