Community Update from EAUK (Squad Hopping)

[HowieMandel]

Re: Community Update from EAUK (Squad Hopping)

Well i wont be joining a squad after this patch.

A prime, prime example, of the type of morality that is here.

Im sorry, but this statement totaly explains the "types" that are whinning about squad hoppin' being changed. If i cant totaly play the game in a twisted way, then, im not gonna play the way it was intended to be played.
I mean, really, what kind of statement is that?
If i were an admin.......if your not in a squad after say 5 minutes of stay, your gone.
You guys dont get it, BF2 is a TEAM ORRIENTED game. As it is now, and im very serious about this......BF1942 had way more teamwork involved, all without having VOIP. commander, and squads.
I got a feeling the ol' 42 crossovers are the one praising the changes. And the counterstrike or "newer" players are the ones whinng. Would be intrested to see those numbers really.

[Sasquatch]

Re: Community Update from EAUK (Squad Hopping)

A prime, prime example, of the type of morality that is here.

Im sorry, but this statement totaly explains the "types" that are whinning about squad hoppin' being changed. If i cant totaly play the game in a twisted way, then, im not gonna play the way it was intended to be played.
I mean, really, what kind of statement is that?
If i were an admin.......if your not in a squad after say 5 minutes of stay, your gone.
You guys dont get it, BF2 is a TEAM ORRIENTED game. As it is now, and im very serious about this......BF1942 had way more teamwork involved, all without having VOIP. commander, and squads.
I got a feeling the ol' 42 crossovers are the one praising the changes. And the counterstrike or "newer" players are the ones whinng. Would be intrested to see those numbers really.

I have been playing the battlefield series ever since bf1942's demo was released and its the same with most of the ppl who signed the petition AGAINST THIS PATCH (about 9000 now)

Please stop comparing bf2 to bf42, bf2 comes nowhere near it, they are 2 entirely different games

[geddeth]

Re: Community Update from EAUK (Squad Hopping)

Bottom link to EA UK Forums is wrong in 1st post. Too much s. FYI.

[simpayne]

Re: Community Update from EAUK (Squad Hopping)

we've got more whining douchebag babies to thank for this one. i've heard complaints about this, and of course EA's going to think of the ones who CAN'T play their game well enough in the first place when making changes. so lame... someone needs to make a mod that's pretty much the first bf2 patch with all of the fixes actually needed by the game up to this point. just completely forget all of the nerfings and unnecessary changes, and we'll be fine. but, of course, nobody will actually do it, because the REAL bf2 community, the one that respects and loves the game (or used to, when it was actually worth playing) doesnt care to change the game at all, because it USED to be good. now it's just gay, no disrespect to anyone here who might really be homosexual (EA officials, spammers, whining whores who request unnecessary changes such as this one, etc.) and even if the community did try to get EA to make a change, i think that they (EA) would rather make it easier for all of the toddlers and probably primates, too, because they've always been all about getting as many consumers as possible (for more money) and they want to expand the playable age group to something close to 4-90 instead of what it might have been before, like 10-60 (maybe higher than 60 for any of those spry old geezers) and yes, before you flame me with "oh but you're spamming and whining too, n00b lawlzorz" stfu, because the ONLY way to talk to anyone is to speak their language.

rofl.. in bf42.. that was fights between men.. now just.. whining softies.
oh.. EA i got owned.. please change gameplay.. help me.. huh..

EA: "ok n00b, we got ur bak dawg. lawl. nu gaimplay change ftw!!"

may i say GOODBYE SQUAD HOPPING!!! :)

the only people ****ed about this are the people that can only get points by raping some spawn point with their teammates and having an easy way to keep re-entering the same spot of the battle. DICE never intended this type of use and I'm glad to see it go. Finally SL's and the members he leads might value the SL a little more.

perfect example of why this is gay...

you're defending a flag.. here comes 5 guys, one of which is a squad leader. you take 2 out with a nade and gun down to more including the SL... CONGRADULATIONS... you better start reloading because those 4 will be right back in about 10 seconds.

in the art of squad hopping, yes it might take a little bit of coordination to do it effeciently.. and i stress 'A LITTLE'. however taking control of a flag point for the most part requires no skill as ruthless bumrushing of the same guys will eventually take the flag if not guarded by quite a few people.

I think you people complaining need to stop whinning because your precious little feature exploit is being taken away. start embracing strategy.

and you should "embrace" some strategy for yourself. dude, if you can't handle 5 guys easily enough, maybe you should just go play counter-strike or something. "strategy" is what YOU need to use to take out the guys and their squad leader. i see this feature as not an exploit but a way to make more points in EITHER situation. say you're the guy that's getting rushed. ok, stand in a corner right next to the door they come through, if you're inside, and gun them down as they come in. when the rushing comes to a pause, run to another camp, and wait again. repeat. if you're outside, find a low, grassy area if possible. if not, just find some kind of cover. do not use aluminum fences or anything else easily penetrable. if they're capping a flag, let them get it about half way and then lob a hand grenade at them, or if you have a GL, shoot that at them. you'll get a helluva lot of points for the multi-kill + defend flag bonus. on the other hand, if you're in that squad, or playing as that SL, you could be medic and repeatedly heal and revive your squad members if you can get to them before they respawn. or be support and throw out ammo packs left and right getting points over and over again. OR just be assault or something with alot of fast, close-quarters firepower and rush with the rest (as long as you're not SL) and run in blazing. i guarantee that you'll get more kills if you don't act so cautious because you're not afraid that if you die you have to run 3 miles, as long as you dont act completely retarded. now shut up and go try that, maybe you wont think of it as so gay.

[imported_Nick_Stone]

Re: Community Update from EAUK (Squad Hopping)

may i say GOODBYE SQUAD HOPPING!!! :)

the only people ****ed about this are the people that can only get points by raping some spawn point with their teammates and having an easy way to keep re-entering the same spot of the battle. DICE never intended this type of use and I'm glad to see it go. Finally SL's and the members he leads might value the SL a little more.

perfect example of why this is gay...

you're defending a flag.. here comes 5 guys, one of which is a squad leader. you take 2 out with a nade and gun down to more including the SL... CONGRADULATIONS... you better start reloading because those 4 will be right back in about 10 seconds.

in the art of squad hopping, yes it might take a little bit of coordination to do it effeciently.. and i stress 'A LITTLE'. however taking control of a flag point for the most part requires no skill as ruthless bumrushing of the same guys will eventually take the flag if not guarded by quite a few people.

I think you people complaining need to stop whinning because your precious little feature exploit is being taken away. start embracing strategy.

So what were your squad members doing.... oh right.. you wernt in a squad, or if you were you wernt with them..


I personally think its a crap idea. 11months its been ok, now all of a sudden its an exploit.

Come on the BF2 mods, so i can leave vBF2 behind.

[Brainpr0n]

Re: Community Update from EAUK (Squad Hopping)

LOL, I must be as dumb as a box of rocks for not realizing all this squad hopping stuff was going on. I mean I saw members join and leave my squad every two minutes, but I never made the connection. I thought I had BO or something...

Then there were the firefights where our squad would kill the same few people over and over and over when there was no flag to spawn at.

Overall, I guess personally I don't give a rats rip about this change since it won't affect me directly.

[DrJambo]

Re: Community Update from EAUK (Squad Hopping)

I reckon they are now using BF2 as a beta testing ground for BF2142. Not that I necessarily care one way or another...

All I'd like to see is the J-10 brought down the earth a bit in relation to the other jets.

[machstem]

Re: Community Update from EAUK (Squad Hopping)

1.3 still won't provide us with bunnies instead of bullets? I mean, I've been asking for this since the beginning, and EA/DICe hasn't listened to my demands. They obviously listen to plenty other idiots out there in regards to what needs changing, why not add bunnies?

PEACE

[chknbone]

Re: Community Update from EAUK (Squad Hopping)

Until they do away with artillery, those who stick together in squads will be indirectly punished for playing together, as they represent a juicy blob of red dots for the commander to prey on.

Those who play one are rarely targeted, why drop arty on a single dot?

Until EA/DICE realizes this, the arty feature will continue to work against teamplay in BF2.

Amen brother.

I died 12 times in a round last night which is nothing new for me BUT 8 of those were due to arty. Now that sucked.

[Wheelman56]

Re: Community Update from EAUK (Squad Hopping)

They need to remove the bunnies! :P

[Xanthias]

Re: Community Update from EAUK (Squad Hopping)

This is the most rediculous feature I have ever seen in an update!! This is something the Tournament players requested NOT something requested by the public server players!!! Teamwork is already a problem on public servers AND...

THIS WILL KILL PUBLIC GAMEPLAY!!!!!!!

[Sasquatch]

Re: Community Update from EAUK (Squad Hopping)

This is the most rediculous feature I have ever seen in an update!! This is something the Tournament players requested NOT something requested by the public server players!!! Teamwork is already a problem on public servers AND...

THIS WILL KILL PUBLIC GAMEPLAY!!!!!!!

What cave have you been living in?
This is something the tournament players ABSOLUTLY DO NOT WANT
Well, not the ones with more then half a brain anyway...

[Crimson87]

Re: Community Update from EAUK (Squad Hopping)

NO sir, I do not like this feature being removed. 4 reasons w/sub arguments.

1 Decreases score per minute
2 Longer walking time to positions = less play.
3 Arty on any squad that works together as a tight group. Discourages teamplay.
4 Open season on Squad Leaders!

1 You may call this an exploit. I call it a feature of the game. I like to stay in the action or in the kill zone. Because fragging people is what gets points. EX. So me and my partner will work a sniper group of two on Great wall. Opponets take a flag. Our team isn't able to get to that flag fast enough to defend it or take it back. Only me an him are there. We can not take the flag as a duo of snipers but we can maintain pressure on the location by keeping the enemy busy long enough for them to get there and take it. Its the ability to respawn on the other if one is knocked out that keeps our small squad alive and providing pressure for the win. That is not an exploit. That is a multi-pronged attack on a location, otherwise known as teamwork.

2. I play this game to shoot at other people not to walk from place to place. This patch will force players to walk very long distance to get to fragging action. This translates to a score per minute decrease and long boring hours of walking to a kill zone that might not be there when you arrive. If you are the one smart enough to create your own kill zone others won't join you. Hence you die fast.

3. If you want to stay in a coherent close knit squad, you will be a target for artillery. Free kills for the commander. Commanders already get to many points, especially after the 20th kill with artillery they get a point for every kill(And they are doubled if you win!). Translation, commanders will get gold almost every round. Another way of looking at it is people will not want to join squads if they are targets. Translation discouragement of teamwork.

4. Open season on Squad Leaders. Kill the squad Leader, kill the squad. The best analogy I can think up now for this is that a SL is like a barracks or construction yard in a C&C RTS. Just take it out and you win. Throw nades over the squad, the leaders is just hanging in the back, he blows up. Their squad is dead. If he stays back there dodging nades, he gets no points. So why be squad leader? If he moves forward with his squad, he gets shot, the squad is dead. I don't know about you but I am not about to take a bullet for a stupid squad leader. Translation, stagnation of game play at certain areas on the map and a whole lot of walking for team.

Whether you like my opinion or not, I don't really care. I will miss this feature but I will adapt. I also think this was stupid on part of EA and will hurt the community more than it helps, but as Albert Einstein said in the C&C Red Alert Intro; "Time will tell. Sooner or later, time will tell."

[troybob]

Re: Community Update from EAUK (Squad Hopping)

do most of the complainers realize that they are not taking out the squad feature?

you just can't change squads while your dead. thats the only change.

[Xanthias]

Re: Community Update from EAUK (Squad Hopping)

What cave have you been living in?
This is something the tournament players ABSOLUTLY DO NOT WANT
Well, not the ones with more then half a brain anyway...

Excuse me... SOME of the tournament players wanted this. I have seen some people complaining about this and I apologize for grouping them all together...

1 Decreases score per minute
2 Longer walking time to positions = less play.
3 Arty on any squad that works together as a tight group. Discourages teamplay.
4 Open season on Squad Leaders!

QFE EXACTLY!!

The team play on servers is minimal at best. Our Squad (our term for "Clan") always plays together in an in-game squad and always rotate squad leader should the need ever arise. It is strategically advantegeous to do so, just as it is ALSO strategically advantegeous to make sure you KILL THE SQUAD LEADER to avoid spawns! Sure, it's annoying that you kill a few people only to find them again in 15 seconds, but that's part of the established gameplay that EVERYONE KNOWS ABOUT!!

EX. So me and my partner will work a sniper group of two on Great wall. Opponets take a flag. Our team isn't able to get to that flag fast enough to defend it or take it back. Only me an him are there. We can not take the flag as a duo of snipers but we can maintain pressure on the location by keeping the enemy busy long enough for them to get there and take it. Its the ability to respawn on the other if one is knocked out that keeps our small squad alive and providing pressure for the win. That is not an exploit. That is a multi-pronged attack on a location, otherwise known as teamwork.

Now, the only alternative would be for them to join your squad, suicide, and then spawn on you. So, now we are being PUNISHED for using TEAMWORK!! This has got to be a bad dream!!

Help stop this bull... Sign the petition!!

http://www.bf2.se/petition/