BF2 Jets Comparison: Chart+Pictures. Input Needed.

[Brutus]

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I'm not saying bf2 sucks, but as a real pilot myself, i know the dogfighting is garbage.

What are you a pilot of? I doubt you are a military pilot, because I don't know of any military pilots that call the F-16 a 'Fighting Falcon'. Most everyone that I work with calls it a 'Viper', it's un-official nick name.

[exho]

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The back of the f35 is like a side of a barn compared to all the other jets

[vbl]

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The back of the f35 is like a side of a barn compared to all the other jets

Baby got back.

[F-1]

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Great stuff Duck, can you elaborate on the invisible engines on the F35?

The helicopter engine is kind of visible. that is what I showed in the three pictures of the F35B. However, the engine's position is not really where the animation is. it is hanging over the jet like a rotor.
With a little modification to the F35B I am sure there is a lot of room for Sir stunts :)

If you increase the torque of those four engines you will be able to fly the F35B like a chopper !! I tried it and it works.

[Blades]

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That sounds awesome, but how would that help against a J10?

[F-1]

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That sounds awesome, but how would that help against a J10?

In order to be a good pilot and win, you need to know the strength of your jet and the weakness of your opponent.
The F35B is good in the pitch and roll motions for example.
A twin engine jet is not that good in the yaw motion. It is like having two guys pushing a box from the sides instead of one strong guy in the middle. Making a yaw turn is easier with a single engine that has the same combined power of two engines.

Putting those facts to your advantage needs some time and practice. I do not have a recipe for you right now to tell how to beat the J10. I am just saying that it seems to be possible.

Here is a rough example, but not sure if it will help or not.

If your opponent’s jet is good with the pitch motion then it can make sharper turn by using the elevators to make the turn. You roll the jet 90 degrees and pull the joystick all the way backward.

If your jet is not that good with the pitch motion then you may have better rudders. So you might be able to make sharper turn by rolling the jet 45 degrees for example and using the rudders with the elevators. Each one of them will contribute to the sharp turn. You might be able to find a roll angle that maximizes the turn. I am not sure if that applies to the F45B, but that is a possible thing to try. Remember that if your rolling angle is not 90 degrees then the elevators will cause the jet to go up or down a little bit. If you are going against gravity then that is bad. You may need to roll such that you are going with the gravity when you pull the elevators and use your efficient rudders.

Another example: one of the maneuvers you may try if someone is on your tail is pulling the throttle all the way backward and hope that your enemy will pass to your front. Well... that will not work with the F35B because it has the lowest reverse thrust as you may see in the table. On the other hand, the Mig29 has two air brakes and twice the reverse thrust of the F35B. So the Mig29 has a better chance of performing this bloody maneuver and surviving.

[[TBF2] Antioch93]

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Very nice... How long did it take you to make this? lol

[F-1]

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Very nice... How long did it take you to make this? lol

I have been working on it for more than a month. I just did few minutes everyday in my free time while waiting for some tasks at work to be done.

[Hu.Z_of_PLA]

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first thing about beating the J10, is NOT to get into a circle war, but try to do manuver that can not be done as well on the other plane.

basically, this chart help you to formulate what manuver you should do against what type of plane.

[whoosh]

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The only manuver you need to know when you have a good J10 pilot behind you is how to twiddle your thumbs after you eject at 2000 ft. LOL.

[imported_CerB]

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Nice work. You revealed alot of espert info. on flying.

[F-1]

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When I looked at some of the stuff I posted the first things that come to my mind are:
-huge invisible collision mesh for the F18 and F35B.
-huge mass of the J10.

[spetznaz_mav]

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18 tonnes for a J-10??? That seems a bit excessive..

How come the much larger aircraft (including bombers!) carrying much heavier payloads are much lighter??

If the J-10 is as heavy as in the chart, surely the maneuvering abilities shouldn't be as good as they are.

It's not a matter of weight here. It has an ability to adjust it's turn radius by rotating the engine outlet. F35 can do it only by taking off or landing

[F-1]

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It's not a matter of weight here. It has an ability to adjust it's turn radius by rotating the engine outlet. F35 can do it only by taking off or landing

But the J10 cannot do that. Only the Su30 can move its engine with the elevators.

[Blades]

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This thread needs to be bumped. This is probably the best thread on TBF2 right now.
Yeah the collision mesh for the F35 anf the F18 make it like a flying brick.