Alls fair in love and BF2

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  • NutButa

    #1

    Alls fair in love and BF2

    Now mind you I know that with my current 3 posts there are a great deal of you shall most likely start yelling "noob" and other wonderfully innovative terms at me. But in spite of that I have to say that from reading a lot of other posts, and playing a LOT of BF2 that I have come to the following conclusion.

    If there is anything you can do in the game which is not a hack or cheat. Do it.

    The game itself defines the parameters of the conflict. It's all built into the Game Design - which people get paid to do, and then the game design is updated in patches as people find ways to "unbalance" game play.

    For Instance:
    Is bunny-hopping unrealistic? Well yes it is. But it's possible in the game so either take advantage of it (and have to deal with it's disadvantages as well) or don't play the game. Or more specifically if you think this detracts from the quality of the game play state that with a valid argument (not a rant) as to why it detracts from game play. I can respect that, but I can’t respect players who make it an “ethical” argument.
    Another:
    Spawn camp – go ahead as far as I am concerned it’s all part of the game. I have been on both ends of it. It gets frustrating when you are on the short side of it, but it’s a good tactic to use to win the game in certain circumstances, but not all.

    The reason I have played this game for so long is that it allows for so much ingenuity, (jihad jeeps, etc) that it does not get stale. The idea of a good games is afford the player to win through ingenuity, reflexes, and teamwork. They are all aspects of the game. To say that something like the Grenade Launcher is a “noob tube” is pretty funny. It’s not like as you go up in rank you can no longer use the grenade launcher, it is not limited to lower ranked/noob players. So if it was such an awesome weapon then keep using it. Personally I only found it useful in certain situations and I find it fairly easy to take out a new player using a grenade launching. Perhaps all of the “veterans” who called it a “noob tube” were simply complaining because they could not handle going up against it? I have a feeling that “some” of the people who complained about this were a little to worried over their stats, and not as concerned with enjoying the game and playing as a team member.

    I am not saying that any cheat or hack should be used. The game should be used as it was designed without modification.

    Here is an example of something which I think would fall into the truly grey area however, I know someone who has a small dot of tape in this monitor right where the cross hairs are. That way even when firing AT he can aim when un zoomed… now is that a cheat or hack? Or is it just a valid edge such as a good joystick for airplanes?

    I’m not saying that there are not aspects to the game which shouldn’t be improved upon, but if there is an asset available, only a true “noob” wouldn’t use it to their advantage and to help their team win.

    With all that being said I think it would be good, and helpful to DICE, if there was a specific area where these topics could be argued in a point-counter point pros/cons section. Which was monitored a little bit and rants were simply deleted. Something well organized, perhaps a forum category which had 1 thread per game design topic, was moderated, ,etc.

    There are a lot of bright talented players out there who could help game design evolve – which is what we would all really like isn’t it? And let’s face it, so far BF2 is easily one of the best games designed right now in the FPS realm.
  • L3adcannon

    #2
    Re: Alls fair in love and BF2

    GTFO NOOB jk

    Anyway, wouldnt that all take the fun out of the game or what?

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    • HowieMandel

      #3
      Re: Alls fair in love and BF2

      I dont believe i've called anyone a noob, be it here, or in game. I really dont think I have. Whenever I see someone say it to someone else, I think, what a sad person, that person must be in real life. (the name caller)

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      • NutButa

        #4
        Re: Alls fair in love and BF2

        Originally posted by L3adCannon
        GTFO NOOB jk

        Anyway, wouldnt that all take the fun out of the game or what?
        What would take the fun out? No thaving idiotic rants? You may be right there.

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        • old sch00l
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2007
          • 1087

          #5
          Re: Alls fair in love and BF2

          someone called me a "noob" in game the other night, went something like this:

          player:noob
          me: whats your problem?
          player:I have low self asteem?
          me:ah ok lol :)

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          • Digital-Boy

            #6
            Re: Alls fair in love and BF2

            Dolphin diving and bunny hopping are "legitimate" if the game engine allows it to be done, but it's still cheap. That's something I blame on the game and not on the player who uses it. However, by the same logic, wall-glitching is OK, but that is definitely not the case. So I guess there is room for a grey area. When is something just a cheap way of using the game mechanics and when is it an unfair exploitation?

            Here is an example of something which I think would fall into the truly grey area however, I know someone who has a small dot of tape in this monitor right where the cross hairs are. That way even when firing AT he can aim when un zoomed… now is that a cheat or hack? Or is it just a valid edge such as a good joystick for airplanes?
            I think that falls into the area of unfair, but there's nothing that can be done to stop it, and the advantage provided isn't that big, so whatever.

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            • Sadistic_1

              #7
              Re: Alls fair in love and BF2

              Good post IMO.

              I've always supported the theory that players should adapt to the game and not the other way around. In fact, someone on these forums is using something I said as a quote, though I'm not sure if that's good or bad.

              I hear a lot of people talk about keeping the game balanced, when in fact the game will never really be balanced as we all using different hardware to play the game. Someone with a kickass system is going to a have a significant advantage over someone with just the minimum requirements, and there is absolutely nothing that can be done about that, other than adapt to what you're using. I for one, am using a system that rates in the medium to low range compared to what I see some people using, and yet I'm still able to finish in the top 5 on a consistent basis.

              Personally, I wish EA would stick to fixing the real bugs in the game, and stop worrying about changing the hit boxes, deviations, rate of fire etc etc. There are still some legitimate bad bugs in this game that need to be fixed.
              - rad tag on friendlies
              - legs sticking out of walls
              - being unable to leave a squad

              Fix the bugs.

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              • Banthur

                #8
                Re: Alls fair in love and BF2

                2 long didnt read

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                • Revoluti0n
                  Member
                  • Mar 2006
                  • 3032

                  #9
                  Re: Alls fair in love and BF2

                  Hey DNC Q, I am using your comment as a sig. It is very true what you have said and I agree with you. I read the post which I took the quote from and it was honest adn well thought out. Hope ya dont mind.

                  Originally posted by Banthur
                  2 long didnt read
                  Of course you didn't, you have to be literate. By the looks of most of your posts this seems to be a recurring theme with you.


                  That is really difficult to do these days. It seems that anything a person does in game to give themselves an advantage, whether it be a position on the field, a weapon, a tactical use of a weapon, people always start screaming exploit.
                  I define a cheat as modification of game files in order to allow you an unfair advantage that is not available to all players. In other words, you modify the files and content of your game in order for you to gain advantage. This is not the same thing as using tactics and techniques available to everyone at all times.
                  If you are a good pilot in a jet or helo people scream whore, they do not bother trying to learn for themselves to fly. If you are good in armor, people yell whore, usually beause they are unable to allocate a tank for themselves. Basically players that get owned by a particular kit or vehicle over and over and over are the first to cry about it.
                  Ex: If you spawn at a place where a bomber has killed your squad 13 times in a row, you may want to select a different spawn point. Chances are by the time you respawn, the jet will be back with fresh bombs and kill you again. People for some reason think that "this time when I spawn it will be different"..Yeah, sure it will noob...

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                  • Sadistic_1

                    #10
                    Re: Alls fair in love and BF2

                    Originally posted by Revoluti0n
                    Hey DNC Q, I am using your comment as a sig. It is very true what you have said and I agree with you. I read the post which I took the quote from and it was honest adn well thought out. Hope ya dont mind.

                    Don't mind at all. I'm actually glad there's at least 1 person who agrees with me.:)

                    Less complaining = More killing = More fun

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                    • NutButa

                      #11
                      Re: Alls fair in love and BF2

                      I must say. This thread has progressed in a strangely intelligent fashion.

                      Kudos.

                      Also - as far as having higer end pc's giving you a big advantage I don't know if that is necessarily true. Obviously there is some sort of minimum pc you need. But the disadvatnages I think are minor for real game play.
                      If a lower end PC causes you to have low fps then you should lower the settings.
                      Once you have a good constent fps, then here are the disadvantages I would think of, but non of them are major.

                      1. less resolution - harder to spot things at long distance.
                      2. no static shadows(?) - this is a benefit as the shadows of buildings etc allow players to hide better in certain circumstances. No shadows you can see them clearly. (I forgot the exact setting this refers to - but it is true)
                      3. no dynamic shadows(?) - you don't see shadows of moving things like people,etc. So if someone is on a building top you miss the chance to see thier shadow on the ground.
                      4. Poor surrond sound - you can't clearly hear things approaching,etc.
                      5. slower game load - this is really annoying, and it hurt hte whole team - I think when a game starts, the server should have a delay so that all the players who are there when the game starts have a chance to finish loading - other wise people wiht faster PC get all the goodies and other don't have a chance - and of course some of those players with the fast pc's don't wait for others to get in before they take off with the jeeps, etc leaving the rest of their team standing around with their "gun" in their hands.
                      6. Modem - oh please - don't even bother.

                      So you see my general opinion is that a lower end pc does give some minor disadvantages - but nothing that makes a higher end one have a significant advantage.

                      And of course - I am going on assumptions as I have not done any true play testing of the two.

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                      • Sadistic_1

                        #12
                        Re: Alls fair in love and BF2

                        I have though.

                        One thing also not mentioned is size of monitors. While minor, someone with a 21" is going to see better than someone with a 17" monitor. I was actually quite amazed at the difference when it came to long range shots.

                        Overall, I don't really find a lack of performance. Yeah I'm slower loading, don't get the eye-candy, get a pixelated view from very long ranges, but I don't lag or have any difficulties shooting people. It's been almost a year since the game came out and the only upgrade I've made was the sound card.

                        A quick comment on that, I have noticed a huge difference in my gaming and tactical performance because of the sound. I can hear people sneaking up behind me from quite a distance now. I actually enjoy waiting for the sound of the blade as it's unsheathed before I turn around and nail someone point blank.

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                        • Sir. Shpox

                          #13
                          Re: Alls fair in love and BF2

                          Your post is not noobish at all, I know many people who browse but never post on these forums, post count aint display intelligence.

                          I know what you mean, people "think" tank whoring is stats padding, it's not, you taking advantage of what the game offers.

                          People think spawn killing is stat padding, it's not, its exploting the game ect...

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                          • NutButa

                            #14
                            Re: Alls fair in love and BF2

                            Thanks Sir.
                            And DNC - Back up the sound comment 110%. I got a nice pair of headphones recently (force feed back, padded, etc -- pretty cool) and hearinf where things are coming from is simply very nice benefit if you utilize it.
                            I can tell what is coming around the bend or up to a flag and from where by the sound.. which is nice when spec ops. Hear a tnak coming...c4...back up...boom.
                            then giggle like a little girl :)

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                            • BirdKiller
                              Member
                              • Feb 2005
                              • 785

                              #15
                              Re: Alls fair in love and BF2

                              Whether certain behaviors are legal or not really depends on both the developers and the community. I'm sure many of you remember well when in EA UK forums, there was an official poll trying to survey what is the #1 cause that ensnares the game. Much to my surprise, most picked bunny-hopping. Quite frankly, I wasn't quite convinced that bunny-hopping was destroying gameplay despite having some grudge against these players. I was more convinced when DICE determined that bunny-hopping was more of an abuse than a tactic, and thus, 1.20 prevented, or at least discouraged, bunny-hopping. Basically, both the community and the developer agreed on the issue, yet I believe had the community not expressed such strong outrage over the bunny-hop abuse, DICE would've never addressed it. Probably the next big issue has to be whether nerfing or maintaing the current weapon properties of the PKM.

                              Probably the only change from DICE that most of the community disagrees has got to be decreasing the helicopter's gunship dumbfire missiles from 14 to 8. That was just completely unexpected and uncalled for.

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