Bad things about 1.21 , please post here .

[IHateYou]

Re: Bad things about 1.21 , please post here .

Well, it didn't patch for me. I downloaded it from 4 different places. It went through all the loading and installation, but when I load the game, I'm still at 1.2. I dunno, guess I'm gonna have to wipe and start from scratch. POS.

[BasherTarr]

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dude are you in life at all.. have you sem what they hae done to bf2.. man two posts from you telling us that we are stupid is enuf a&&wipe

That post made me laugh the whole way through it. hee cnt call oos dum!!21!!1 dat is meen m4n~!!2!1

[imported_TheDragon]

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wow how many threads about bad things do we need???

well - sir - don't you get it?
as former owner of multiple companies in the simulation industry - I know the importance of beta testing
I would be 100000% embarrased at the pure CRAP that comes out as patch(s)
not the hard stuff
(missle tracking, audio cones of silence)
but screenshots quit working???
not one NOOB you use a tester checked that?
adjusting the armor of vehicles to rediuclous levels?
server filter not working on maps?
these are examples not of MAIN issues to the community
but some of those are hard to fix - granted
no one knows more than me how hard this is all to do in realtime, and networked over pubic internet
but when DICE or whoever continues to be TOTAL screwups on the little things - it is sort of the straw that breaks our back

I have said many times - this (BF2) is a GREAT technical acomplishment at any price
not to mention $50

military sims cost 10 of millions of $
and most are not nearly as good

for that KUDOS !!!

for the lack of attention to detail - no forgivenss -
none whatsoever

[RolandThompsonGun]

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The worst thing....there will still be whiners wasting their time & energy venting their spleen over...a GAME. I suppose it's an inevitable symptom of Generation X wasters with too much time and money. If only that energy was spent on charitable works and/or learning how to spell.

Learning how to spell would be a good start. I might actually be able to understand some of the posts at that point. :laugh:

[subzero nautica]

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The worst thing....there will still be whiners wasting their time & energy venting their spleen over...a GAME. I suppose it's an inevitable symptom of Generation X wasters with too much time and money. If only that energy was spent on charitable works and/or learning how to spell.

And noobs like you who whine about the whiners

[subzero nautica]

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military sims cost 10 of millions of $
and most are not nearly as good

For a simulation expert, you dont understand your market well?

The most popular law enforcement and military simulation systems (which are mobile) cost less than $50k for the works.

Laser Shot is a portable and deployable military training simulatory. It takes less than 15 minutes to assemble. Features multiple screens to simulate hallway encounters etc.

You can purchase the laser insert for your military issued weapon. Or you can purchase one of their non-recoil laser weapons or recoil training weapon. There are a few dozen combat training simulations to choose from.

This is the most popular simulation used by the military for infantry.

Base model cost about $4k

http://lasershot-military.com/index.php

Weapons are here http://lasershot-military.com/index.php?pgid=3&sid=5

Simulation DVD's are here http://lasershot-military.com/index.php?pgid=4&sid=4

Mobile Shooting Range is here http://lasershot-military.com/index.php?pgid=2&sid=3

Live Fire Training Range is here http://lasershot-military.com/index.php?pgid=2&sid=2

[Princess_Frosty]

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To all those who are (ironically) whining that others should stop whining, because its only a game...

I'd just like to say that DICE/EA have proved to us time and time again that mass whining is the only way they will get around to changing things, single well constructed posts backed with reason and logic and examples get drowned out by the mass whining.

The game, like any other product, is something we've all spent money on, and when theres something wrong with it we deserve to have it fixed.

People dont put up with this sort of thing with other products, for instance a car, then why should we.

If you don't want to read whining then DO NOT look at these threads, this just seems obvious to me...

[ghaib]

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well, they did fix the TOW...

and that's about it :)

[SPC_Zotchman]

Re: Bad things about 1.21 , please post here .

• AA Missiles Still go wonky (At least in Dragon Valley).
  
• I got 'stuck' in an AA emplacement for the first time last night, (and since 'suicide' is against my religion :laugh:) I had to sit there for about 15 minutes, but I did get my ground defense ribbon at least :guns: .
  
• Seems like AA has been 'nerfed' again a little.
  
• J-10 is uber.

That's all I can 'whine' about for now.

Also, guys feel free to ease up on the "get a life" comments. I personally have a fairly successful life, a new wife, degree, great job and good friends.

This game, however, is very very fun and takes up many of my hours otherwise wasted on who knows what. :nod:

[imported_TheDragon]

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For a simulation expert, you dont understand your market well?

I am referring to full blown military training simms
aricraft, helos , tanks
not simple firearms training
typical price for full sim is 30-50 million
even networked tanks are $1+ mill each
u want my background?
pm me and I will he happy to show you

[IndianScout]

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I am referring to full blown military training simms
aricraft, helos , tanks
not simple firearms training
typical price for full sim is 30-50 million
even networked tanks are $1+ mill each
u want my background?
pm me and I will he happy to show you

I spent ALOT of years as an engineering tech for Flight Safety in the design and manufacturing end of all the military's flight sim boards..

so you are really not impressing me..

the fact remains this is a "hotfix" not a full blown patch,

[cheesewz]

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I have said many times - this (BF2) is a GREAT technical acomplishment at any price
not to mention $50

military sims cost 10 of millions of $
and most are not nearly as good

for that KUDOS !!!

for the lack of attention to detail - no forgivenss -
none whatsoever

Coming from that background then you should know why there is a difference in attention to detail. In a project like that there is a contract that often can take up a bookshelf full of detailed requirements and redresses if those requirements aren't met. And the contracts always include paid long-term support agreements. Bugs get fixed for one of two reasons. One, because you're contractually obligated to do so if you failed to meet requirments or two, because you're getting paid big bucks to support it. I spent several years developing high dollar simulations like you mention (AWACS, etc) and there were always bugs that had to be worked out after the 1.0 release. Some very bad, some not so bad. At first the bug list could be as long as hundreds of items. We worked the list because that's what we were getting paid big bucsk to do.

Commercial software is a completely different animal and shouldn't even be mentioned in the same discussion. When you buy a game there isn't a paid support contract, nor is there a contract full of detailed requirements that must be met. Their motive is to sell you as much as they can (expansion and booster packs) and move on to developing their next big seller. If you look at the last big patches for BF it was mainly stuff to support either SF or the boosters. I suspect that bug fixes and play balance things were not their primary objective of the patch. Quite frankly it was stupid of them to waste development time on the play balance stuff at all from a perspective of dollars and cents.

You should know that when a piece of software (shrinkwrap or otherwise) ships that the size of the team supporting it goes down to bare minimum because there is no profit motive to keep it larger. If the original dev team had 10-20 people (probably too low of an estimate) the number of support developers after shipping might go down to 1 or 2. And those 1 or 2 might not even have been developers on the original products, and if they were on that team they certainly wouldn't have been the star developers. You put knobs on support and move your stars on to the next project because that is where they are most needed. I've been developing software for almost 15 years (as a coder/team lead/architect, not as a manager, not as an owner) in government and the private sector and that is the way things typically work. It is about dollars,cents and time, not some utopian idea of quality.

I'm not excusing the bugs in the game, I'm just pointing out that your mentioning big dollar sims in this discussion is an apples to oranges thing. Not even worth mentioning.

[Digital-Boy]

Re: Bad things about 1.21 , please post here .

I was hoping DICE would get rid of the GL/RL lag, but they didn't.

[HF_Martini6]

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ill start with a good thing ive noticed about the new Patch:

- My Game doesnt crash anymore to the Desktop

and the bad thing is:

- my Game gets stuck after some minutes, the only thing i can do is push the small reset button on my tower.....

[Sadistic_1]

Re: Bad things about 1.21 , please post here .

To all those who are (ironically) whining that others should stop whining, because its only a game...

I'd just like to say that DICE/EA have proved to us time and time again that mass whining is the only way they will get around to changing things, single well constructed posts backed with reason and logic and examples get drowned out by the mass whining.

The game, like any other product, is something we've all spent money on, and when theres something wrong with it we deserve to have it fixed.

People dont put up with this sort of thing with other products, for instance a car, then why should we.

If you don't want to read whining then DO NOT look at these threads, this just seems obvious to me...

Relax princess, don't get your panties in a knot.