Tactics and Strategies from The Art of War

[WarGimp]

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I havent read it for about a year, but isn't it

90,000 the first night, 50,000 the second, and 25,000 the third.

Hehe... yeah, that's about right. I don't remember the exact numbers myself.

I thought this was a hella amusing strategy tho. By lighting fewer and fewer fires, it makes it look like your troops are deserting. Thus, the enemy can be suckered into trying to break the seige while you really have enough forces to crush them utterly.

[CaptainPuffy]

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Yeah, it was brilliant. I also liked the tactic where they tied swords to the Bulls Head and Lit its tail on fire, causing it to go crashing through the village wreaking havoc.

[WarGimp]

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I still think Musashi owns, tho.
Gotta respect a man who refused to use anything other and a wooden sword in duels because he didn't feel there was enough challenge in killing people with real ones.

http://www.samurai-archives.com/musashi.html

The Book Of Five Rings is more about tactics where the Art of War is about strategy. If you like Sun Tzu, read Musashi.

[Eternal-Souljah]

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Ya, these books are pretty good, I wonder if the anarchy cookbook is updated with the jihad buggy?

[CaptainPuffy]

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LOL That guy is pretty bad ass. I'll look up the book, thanks for the suggestion.

[Revoluti0n]

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I downloaded the guide, I'll check it out and get back on my thoughts.

FYI:
Musashi < Onimusha

[papalatiolais]

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People tend to keep commenting on how the guide can't be applied to a normal game. I assure you it will, perhaps just not yet. In v. 2.0 I think I will include a file of just tactics that can be used in a normal game setting. Keep in mind this guide only covers a little under half of the book. The part of the book that the guide focuses on (the guide so far is derived from chapters 1-5) does not cover a lot of individual strategies. Chapters to come offer more to the individual player.

Sorry it's cr** so far I wanted to know how people would react so I would know if I should continue or not.

I would be more than happy to have contributions to the guide, I will be sure to credit you for your work. PM me if you would like to help. Also, if you have any suggestions for the guide (ie. different method of organizing it, different ways to state how passages should be applied, etc.) post or PM me and let me know.

[I will be sure to check out Musashi and possibly include some of that for people who haven't read it...thanks for the suggestions on this.]

[Revoluti0n]

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I read it and I think it kicks much ace. The problem is not with the guide or the principles within, it is getting others to adhere to and apply the material. It's far too easy to get panicked and start running around like you got the game 15 minutes ago. It was a good read and I hope to see more. Great job papalatiolais!

[Metasynaptic]

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Dude... I read the Art of War when I was 12.

:p

Try the Book of 5 Rings, sometime. Much cooler.

Edit: Brain dead here ATM, apparently. 5 Rings, I read almost anually, Art of war I've read twice. Musashi owns Sun Tzu

Do not bathe, lest you be caught in the bath without your PKM.

[WarGimp]

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Do not bathe, lest you be caught in the bath without your PKM.

:laugh:
Nice.

Unfortunatly, social impacts are something that old, dead, asian warriors don't have to worry about.

[Zap_Branigan]

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If you like Sun Tzu you may also be interested in

[monlix]

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I respect the way in which you are trying to understand this book,rather than simply reading it.
It is the kind of book which will allow you to remain ignorent to it's secrets unless you give something back. Some of you will understand this , some won't.
Some of the replies to your post remind of the people i see reading the book in public places not to unlock it's meaning but simply to let the world know "hey look at me, i'm reading the Art of War".

The book is also subject to gross misconceptions of what it actually is, as with martial arts.
How they have become synomymous with fighting only. Also how people misuse the Yin Yang symbol.

You effort would not be wasted if you spent some time understanding the philospohy behind this book. Forgetting what you think you know of it.

"To plan secretly, to move surreptitiously, to foil the enemy's intentions and baulk his schemes,so that at last the day may be won without shedding a drop of blood."

"to secure ourselves against defeat lies within our hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself."


You apply the art of war to your life and in turn, everything that you do within that life.
The ultimate battle to be won is one within ourselves. You lead by example.
As for applying it to the game, it is possible, as you can apply the core of the book to anything you do in your life, but it is a pointless path to take on behalf of others. It is about you and your relationship with the books philosphy. Do whatever you need to do to understand the book,
however you may, just don't expect anything in return from others.

"Yet there will be people in the world that think that even if you learn martial arts, this
will not prove useful when a need arises. Regarding that concern, the true science of martial arts means practising them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things."

Miyamoto Mushashi

To make the point, your guide should be kept to yourself
The secrets to the books are not in what Sun Tzu says but what he doesn't say. What he allows you to understand for yourself.

"I applaud your effort - but IMHO - save your time and energy for something that would reward yourself more. I don't think the crowds here are going to appreciate your summaries/comparisons as much as you want them to. You asked for opions - you just got mine."

BeerStein

[3Libras]

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Very well done, was a very enjoyable read, it's threads like these that keep me on these forums. Also kudos to monlix, who also threw in an interesting point of view in here. It wasn't so much applying the theories to BF2 but more less going through some of the book from your perspective. Was very intelligent and I liked it-- Probably a good hint for me to go out and buy/read the book.

Anyway.. Wow, I'm impressed. What can I say?

[MrBenis]

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Study of this book itself won't provide any answers, you've got to apply the philosophy in a practical and fundamentally useful way. No point in thinking about love as a pseudo act-of-war... people are unpredictable, and really, is it a-moral to use these practices in activities such as the pursuit of companionship? Do you really want a relationship based on the principles of critically analysing your partner, the exploitation of their weaknesses and subterfuge of their emotional (and if you're particularily scum.. their physical) aspects?

The art of war is just that, warfare of nations, of buisnesses, of people. Applying it elsewhere WILL lead to complication whereby your knowledge base will crumble.

[HABO3]

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"Yet there will be people in the world that think that even if you learn martial arts, this
will not prove useful when a need arises. Regarding that concern, the true science of martial arts means practising them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things."

You know what I can totally attest to that because one time my professor in college said, "You can't turn this paper in the deadline has passed." So I stood back a little bit and then I threw a ****ing thai knee right into his liver and that bitch didn't give me anymore **** about my ****ing paper.

But actually I think Sun Tzu sucks, there's one military principle that you all need to understand and it's called Violence of Action. For instance if I were sitting in a room and someone were to open the door, walk in and just kinda look at me funny...rather than ask them if there seems to be a problem I would just knock my table over, scream several expletives, throw my chair at their face and choke them to death with my bare hands. Violence of Action.

If the chinese can make up such a great book about war why did their tactics in the Korean war basically consist of sending thousands of men running straight at tanks and machine gun nests to die like flies?