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  • Blackhearted

    #1

    Worst Commanders?

    the game goes so smoothly when you have a commander that knows what hes doing. you emerge from a tank battle to see a supply crate floating down beside you and you didnt even ask, he directs squads to objectives, targets artillery properly with a min of TKs, etc.
    ive played many rounds where we had a commander that just didnt cut it. never any supply crates even if you begged/yelled for them, killed more friendlies with arty than enemies (the worst is when your squad tears through over a dozen enemies, gets to the flag and starts capping it only to be bombed into oblivion by your idiot commander), the list ges on. while these commanders werent good ones, none ever really stood out in my mind until last night.

    im playing as USMC on karkand, and every 2 min theres a mutiny vote for the commander. several times i die at my OWN SPAWN before i can take a single step because our commander arty'd our own spawn. i was driving an APC around a bit and not once did he drop a supply crate anywhere. i noticed people yelling for repairs/supplies, and directly asking for them from the commander, and since they didnt come i figured i wouldnt bother even asking.
    i get blown up by a spec ops, respawn at the USMC base to find the commander - a colonel, Chopper_Charlie - sitting in an APC. all 5 supply crates are dropped next to him. i figure it was an accident and he might be too stupid to just destroy them, so i blow them up with my APC and the next time i respawn at the base theyre all right there beside him again. no enemy sppec ops was destroying our assets or anything - he just sat in the APC with all 5 supply crates around him.

    next round starts, i spawn as a medic at the spawn by the hotel, my friend spawns as an engy back at the USMC base and gets into the tank as a gunner. he notices Chopper_Charlie is sitting in the drivers seat, while commander. keep in mind that it is general etiquette, as well as a strict server rule that commanders cannot get in armor or aircraft. Chopper_Charlie backs up the tank to the edge of the map bounds and kills my friend in the gunners seat.

    the server allows 3 punished TKs max, then kick/bans for a round - otherwise everyone would have went to town on this guy regardless of the consequences. suffice to say there was a lot of voting and cussing to no avail - you can hardly ever get a vote to succeed on a pub server since half the people dont even know WTF is going on.

    the commander then took the tank and tried to drive it so far out of bounds that it would be irretrievable. luckily some AT guy took it out with a few long-range shots. we actually managed to win the round, and something like the 30th kick vote actuallly succeeded, and then he proceeded to talk $hit for the rest of the night.

    the vote system is so depressing sometimes. the default threshold should be 1/3 of the players. half the players wont vote anyways, and of the other half some dont want him kicked because he is helping the enemy. if you can get 1/3 of a 50-64 player server to agree on anything then its a safe bet that that person deserves a kick. getting 30 people in a server to vote 'yes' to a kick will never succeed. as someone pointed out last night, a kick vote against osama bin laden would fail.

    what are your worst experiences with commanders?
  • GroundZero

    #2
    Re: Worst Commanders?

    couldn't really get much worse than that, sounds more like he was trying to make your team lose

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    • MisterBubbles

      #3
      Re: Worst Commanders?

      Lol.

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      • Blackhearted

        #4
        Re: Worst Commanders?

        Originally posted by groundzero
        couldn't really get much worse than that, sounds more like he was trying to make your team lose
        yeah. the problem is that on a TK-punish kick/ban enabled server there isnt anything you can do about it unless the admins happen to be on.

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        • imported_John-Paul
          Member
          • Jun 2005
          • 303

          #5
          Re: Worst Commanders?

          I'm getting more and more fed up with second-rate commanders, too; especially the ones who use the assets to compliment their own game and neglect to help anyone else.

          I've always thought it'd be better for the kick vote threshold to be dependant upon the regularity with which the commander is using the assets.

          In other words, the fewer UAVs, Scans, Supply Crates, successful Artillery Strikes, spotted enemies, etc., the less votes required to take him down. This would ensure the commanders who aren't doing anything are easily kicked and it would also protect the good commanders from those BS kick-votes initiated by fools who merely want a fancy star over their heads and lots of fun toys.

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          • motorboatJones

            #6
            Re: Worst Commanders?

            If I experience a really bad one I hunt them down and knife them. I then explain to them why I knifed them.

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            • FURRY BIRD

              #7
              Re: Worst Commanders?

              Originally posted by motorboatJones
              If I experience a really bad one I hunt them down and knife them. I then explain to them why I knifed them.
              It's just a nicw way to say,"YOU'RE FIRED!"

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              • Blackhearted

                #8
                Re: Worst Commanders?

                Originally posted by motorboatJones
                If I experience a really bad one I hunt them down and knife them. I then explain to them why I knifed them.
                LOL. a lot of people would have gladly TKd him.
                the problem is that this was on a server with a 3-TK threshold. after that you are kicked and banned for one map cycle.

                with many of the classes, 3 TKs is nothing. dont get me wrong - i do everything in my power not to TK. however, most pub players are complete morons. they jump from a humvee just as you are driving by in another vehicle and there is no way in hell you can stop, you are backing up and honking in a transport and they run under you, you place an AT mine, C4 or a claymore and they lay/park right besiide it even though you know they are seeing the skill and crossbones, then when an enemy triggers it they punish you.
                ive been driving in a pitifully slow-moving AA vehicle and had buggies at full speed crest a hill or turn a corner and crash into me, die, and then punish me. this actually happened 3 times in one round once, and i was kick/banned for it - which made me so angry i could have strangled someone.
                i have been support firing in a prone position at enemies and had teammates with a sliver of health either run into my fiield of fire 2 feet in front of me, or dive prone and begin firing right in front of my face. it only takkes a split second for them to die like that.

                in a tank i blow up an APC or vodnik and dont see the player trying to C4 it on the other side. punish. my AT mine takes out a tank as well as the sppec ops planting charges on it. punish. i throw a grenade at a group of three enemies and my teammate keepps running right into the midst of them and blows up too. punish. AT rockets are being fired at my tank and i back up - right over some idiot thhat was standing directly behind me. punish.

                the gall of some people when punishing, really gets to me sometimes. the best example is the buggies, moving at like 60mph, ramming your AA vehicle plodding along at 5mph and then punishing you for it. i could strangle them.

                in a normal server i dont care. but in a server where you are kick/banned for 3 TKs it is an artform to stay in the server without getting kicked. i often manage but sometimes unavoidable circumstances add up and i get hoofed. either way, it certainly takes away thhe luxury of knifing commanders.

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                • Blackhearted

                  #9
                  Re: Worst Commanders?

                  BTW - what is it about people that compels them to crawl up a tank's a$$ all the time?
                  a tank needs to be able to move to evade rockets, tank shells, artillery, close infantry, etc. yet 9 times out of 10 when i back up in a tank i either ram into an APC/humvee that is RIGHT ON MY A$$, or run over some idiot that is standing there.
                  WTF is wrong with some people? and no, they arent repairing me. foor some reason on the servers i play on most drivers arent engineers but rathher support or snipers. so while im repairing them, they cant repair me. i have to drive to the middle of nowhere to repair my tank otherwise when i get out some teammate will jack it when they see me repairing it.

                  IMO you should not even be able to drive armor unless you are an engineer. period.
                  how many infantrymen do you know that can drive a tank?

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                  • Surge1975

                    #10
                    Re: Worst Commanders?

                    Mind you everyone is entitled to be the commander regardless if they are any good or not.

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                    • GLENNYBOY1

                      #11
                      Re: Worst Commanders?

                      [quote=John-Paul]I'm getting more and more fed up with second-rate commanders, too; especially the ones who use the assets to compliment their own game and neglect to help anyone else.


                      Agreed,its one thing being a crap commander as long as you're trying but when they start dropping supplies just for themselves and the uav only flies above them (usually a sniper up on a roof top who is shooting peeps but not commanding ) that :censored: me off big time

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                      • sav112
                        Member
                        • Jun 2005
                        • 226

                        #12
                        Re: Worst Commanders?

                        I must say i think i'm rather good, as you say i support the players before they ask, i tell them of danger and help them track enemy players. many a time i've saved a tank with a 1-1 tank fight as i did a drop next to my teams.
                        i dont go as far as ordering but give hints. i just think of it as a aid to the team.
                        best one this week was on a 64 player server Wake and my team had captured every flag except one, huge fire fight and i hit them with art right time right place and wiped out a huge part of the deffending line.

                        it has its rewards. i still dont know if clciking on say a tank in my team and pointing out a target works all the same.

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                        • Blackhearted

                          #13
                          Re: Worst Commanders?

                          well yeah, crap commanders dont bother me as much - i mean ive sortof gotten used to them on pubs, since in this game the commander slot is open to the player who has spent the most time playing or statpadding, and not the most skilled or smartest player.

                          would be nice if at the end of a round your team was forced to give a commander a 1-5 star rating on his performance that round. that would go towards a commander score, which would then go towards determining eligibility for a commander slot in a round.
                          heh, itll never happen though. perhaps in the next game we can hope for some commander stat that tracks how welll they perform in the commander seat and scores them according to that?

                          i can live with the weak commanders. its the absolutely retarded ones that drive me up the wall. a commander that gets into a valuable team asset like a tank or APC and sits at the base - thereby denying the team that asset for the entire game - is a POS and should be permabanned instantly.
                          normally i would enjoy personally 'punishing' such a commander, but on a server with a 3 TK threshold its a luxury i cant afford.

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                          • Blackjack777

                            #14
                            Re: Worst Commanders?

                            I would be suprised to see a Colonel being an idiot in the commander's position, but then again, I've seen many an occasion of high rank not necessarily meaning a player is better or smarter.

                            I would expect that kind of ineptitude coming from a private commander in a round where nobody else cared to go for the commander spot. I've seen them before, and they usually use the postion to help themselves and blow off everyone on their team even when squad leaders are screaming at them for UAV and supplies.

                            And I agree, the voting system is often useless because half of the players on a server don't vote.

                            But Blackhearted's story is the worst commander story I've ever heard.

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                            • ghaib

                              #15
                              Re: Worst Commanders?

                              the complete n00bs that DON'T play engineer as commander, and use supplyboxes to repair... complete *****!

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