Sharing Jets & Helo's: Can we fix this?

[imported_Tumbler]

Despite the patch Jets and helo's are still the vehicle to use in BF2. And still we have the problem that when someone is shot down that same player can spawn and be back to the aircraft and be back in the air in seconds.

I don't have a problem with this but there are often other players who want to use the jets and when the same player can keep using it over and over again it's not very sporting.

I propse 2 possible solutions:

1. Easiest thing to do would have a new jet respawn immediately when an existing one dies. That way if a player is waiting for a jet he can jump in and take off without competing with or getting griefed by the old player who spawns expecting to get back into the jet.

2. A more complicated solution would be to make the player who was just shot down not able to use the jets/helo's for a limited period of time, like 2 min, so that other players will have a chance to use them.

I think these are fair solutions and hopefully it would cut down on griefing that is still happening around helo's and jets. If you have another suggestion please post it.

[owenc17]

Re: Sharing Jets & Helo's: Can we fix this?

Or there are only 2 or 3 jets per side per game. When they get shot down thats it, no more. Make the game more realistic. Or maybe have an auto-eject so that when the health of the jet goes into red the pilot is ejected. Then he has evade enemies as he stuggles to survive behind enemy lines.

[tsh2005]

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I dont have any problems fiinding something to fly in but when you die they spawn a lot slower now.

your first option wouldnt work. Beacuse people would just bail out then jump in the respawn instead of repair

2 option doesnt work as well beacuse people buy this game to have fun. To say "you cant do this" is taking away what they paid for. Get what i mean?

[an army medic]

Re: Sharing Jets & Helo's: Can we fix this?

Despite the patch Jets and helo's are still the vehicle to use in BF2. And still we have the problem that when someone is shot down that same player can spawn and be back to the aircraft and be back in the air in seconds.

I don't have a problem with this but there are often other players who want to use the jets and when the same player can keep using it over and over again it's not very sporting.

I propse 2 possible solutions:

1. Easiest thing to do would have a new jet respawn immediately when an existing one dies. That way if a player is waiting for a jet he can jump in and take off without competing with or getting griefed by the old player who spawns expecting to get back into the jet.

2. A more complicated solution would be to make the player who was just shot down not able to use the jets/helo's for a limited period of time, like 2 min, so that other players will have a chance to use them.

I think these are fair solutions and hopefully it would cut down on griefing that is still happening around helo's and jets. If you have another suggestion please post it.

plan 1 could make the game battlefield 2:noobs of the sky or airfield 2 and plan 2 would cause a lot of team killing.

[7zerO3]

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The best way is to create a vehicle queing system, where the person thats been waiting in the vehicle spawn area the longest is automatically placed in the vehicle when it spawns.
It's been talked about lots of times before.
The eject idea is **** some Jet pilots can work hard at shooting another down, to have him eject before the plane blows robs him or anyone else thats damaged it to the point it's about to blow.
If anything the eject system should fail when the Jets or any vehicles bars a at a certain critical level.

[Capt_Havok]

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> The best way is to create a vehicle queing system, where the person thats been waiting in the vehicle spawn area the longest is automatically placed in the vehicle when it spawns.

Won't fix the problem of a jackass spawning with a PKM and hosing the flight deck until he's the last man standing. And a queue system wouldn't solve the problem of 25% of your manpower standing around in the hangar smoking cigarettes and drinking coffee.

And, hell, if "your" jet isn't ready and waiting for you, there are probably 3 jeeps that are. Not that many career pilots know jeeps exist for any purpose beyond getting you to the airstrip. It's written right there on the door, "Airport Use Only".

[Sir. bzb]

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Being a total jet whore... well ive been in one anyway... i fail to see the attraction of the damn things, if the enemy doesnt get me then a tree will jump out in front of me I only get a plane if its empty and no ones about, but i am an expert observer of the current system of tk's to get a plane and it is daft. It does however have nothing to do with spawn times etc, its just players mentallity, no interest in capping flags and prepared to gamble some points over no points or negative points for the chance to fly. Cant be fixed by extra code.

If it was to be differrent id make the spawn time instant so long as the previous pilot is dead.

[Alcorr]

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If a new plane respawned every time, then it would be so easy to steal other peoples vehicles....say on ghostown....there would be spetz players with apaches all day long.

[Eternal-Souljah]

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The best way is to create a vehicle queing system, where the person thats been waiting in the vehicle spawn area the longest is automatically placed in the vehicle when it spawns.
It's been talked about lots of times before.
The eject idea is **** some Jet pilots can work hard at shooting another down, to have him eject before the plane blows robs him or anyone else thats damaged it to the point it's about to blow.
If anything the eject system should fail when the Jets or any vehicles bars a at a certain critical level.

what you said first, I think someone would be waiting with a M95 to pop them out.

[[3SA]D|Sgt.Colinloves]

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Would be nice just to work it out on the field. 'you fly it this round, I'll fly it the next'.

Why do we always look to someone else (higher) to solve our problems?

[Eternal-Souljah]

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Being a total jet whore... well ive been in one anyway... i fail to see the attraction of the damn things, if the enemy doesnt get me then a tree will jump out in front of me I only get a plane if its empty and no ones about, but i am an expert observer of the current system of tk's to get a plane and it is daft. It does however have nothing to do with spawn times etc, its just players mentallity, no interest in capping flags and prepared to gamble some points over no points or negative points for the chance to fly. Cant be fixed by extra code.

If it was to be differrent id make the spawn time instant so long as the previous pilot is dead.

People know that jet-whoring/heli is a easy way to get your points/kills etc up fast and they advance faster to the next rank.

I was playing a round in Dalian Plant, we had one spawn I was on the PLA and that was the spawn a the back where the jets are, we had 2 people in a jet doing constant rounds of dropping bombs, the guy had over 30 kills and like 2 deaths, the stinger always blew up from the bombs, then you had this guy sitting at the side in a transport heli, on the minigun and shooting everytime we spawned.

[Eternal-Souljah]

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Would be nice just to work it out on the field. 'you fly it this round, I'll fly it the next'.

Why do we always look to someone else (higher) to solve our problems?

I do that, if I pilot, then say I die, spawn again then I always ask the gunner if they want to pilot, and if theres someone waiting on the heli then I give it to them.

[machstem]

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I like it the way it has been and will be...

It isn't that big of a deal. If you can't get a jet or helicopter, then you shouldn't be waiting around for it to respawn.

I would be a hypocrit to say I've never waited for one, but I normally only do it if I'm on a carrier and I see that one of the air vehicles is missing...by looking at my mini-map.

I don't think we should be changing this simply because some people don't play the game for anything else but the air vehicles.

The best scenario would consist of something that Soldner tried doing: You need to increase your money to afford a vehicle. It cannot be used by anyone but you once you purchase it. You are the only one that can "unlock" it. I don't thing friendly fire can destroy them either. Once you leave the vehicle, and don't "lock" it, it becomes fair game.

This is a good system since you are still only allowed a specific amount of vehicles to play with, but you also need to work for those vehicles. Those that don't and can't play will be left infantry or passenger, as it should be.

I like BF2 the way it is though. Not every server has this problem, and not every map has this issue. This forces people to play the game rather than wait...mostly.

PEACE

[The Soup Nazi]

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I had proposed this awhile back, but I'll reiterate it again...

There should be another class that we'll call the Pilot class for lack of a better term. The Pilot class would only come equipped with a sidearm, seeing as how the cockpit isn't exactly roomy enough to fit a pilot AND his M95 inside at the same time. Also, if he got shot down over enemy lines, there's little that they can do to protect themselves.

And, They would be the only class "holding the keys" to the pilot seat. Even if a sniper would kill a pilot trying to take off, there'd be no way to recover the dead man's kit to switch to Pilot class one second before departure.

[Lugal317]

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I'll tell you what happens to me alot. I watch people that have been waiting for a plane or a helicopter for a while, they lift off and get shot down in 5 seconds. I'm not saying "ohhh I'm soo good and you're soo bad" sometimes they do alright. However, I happen to know that with the improved AA in 1.2 alot fewer pilots can actually do anything to help out the team, and I happen to know that I can help the team, so I am going to try and get the chopper every time, because chances are the other people don't really know how to use it.

If the people waiting are good, they should say something.... "hey man, I'm a pretty good pilot, mind if my buddy and I give it a shot after you guys die?" then the answer is of course SURE! And let the switching turns begin. Thats fun and fine.

There is nothing wrong with finding the squad who is using the chopper, joining them and either Squad typing or chatting with them I do it all the time. I will leave my squad, join theirs and say "you guys got an enemy chopper on your butt"