Points For Squad Leaders

[JarEme]

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Wut you peeps thinks?

I think, as someone who find himself always soloing it as SL, this is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard. I lose half my point just because I don't want to play with others? Nuts to that.

Honestly, man. How many times are all the squad slots filled? I've seen it maybe six times in nearly 300 hours.

Squad leaders don't need extra points for anything. They've the same opportunities to get points as everyone else and that means it's just fine. If they choose to sit back and not get points, that's their business. Good squad leaders take flags with their team.

[[3SA]D|Sgt.Colinloves]

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I really like meeting a squad, working out who the Leader is, then taking him out before finishing off the rest. This dont happen must will all the SL switching these days.
So the point awards would make SL stick to their posts.

[Wild_Wokman]

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The reason for suggesting points for squad leaders is so that it will help promote the correct use of the squad leader...which is to stay back and give directions and support. Not to rush in and die in a hail of bullets. I have been on squads where we spend 50% of our time getting to the fight and then we all die. When a squad leader stays back, then the team is in the fight within seconds, and you can really rack up the score especially if the squad leader has flanked the main battle. When a squad is really humming along it is a mean machine, and really chews up the enemy. There have been quite a few great ideas and I am hoping that DICE sees this thread.

[WarGimp]

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I think, as someone who find himself always soloing it as SL, this is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard.

You don't hear many ideas do ya?

I lose half my point just because I don't want to play with others? Nuts to that.

Seriously, you can't get a single person to join your squad.
Whoa. Never have that problem myself.

Honestly, man. How many times are all the squad slots filled? I've seen it maybe six times in nearly 300 hours.

Something's wrong there.
I saw my squad fill up 6 times tonight!
If what you say is true... well, you play with some really oblivious people, or you must really suck as SL.

Squad leaders don't need extra points for anything. They've the same opportunities to get points as everyone else and that means it's just fine. If they choose to sit back and not get points, that's their business. Good squad leaders take flags with their team.

This is a true and valid point.
SLs don't need any extra points.

However, we're talking about ways to use points to encourage player who choose to take on the role of SL to be more aware of the role itself. As is, there's too many yahoos that just make squads and play as lonewolves.

Rather than being a cockblocker

How about participating?

The point to made earlier about a lone SL is actual valid. This will happen and Lone Wolf SLs (useless as they often are) will get all mad about it.

Thus, it's a problem.
And here's the solution: Do the calculation of the average teamwork score before reducing the SL's score by half. Thus, if you are alone, you will get exactly the same score as you normally would have. The only differance is that SLs get some score for teammate actions, even if he stands off. We who do that, like that thought.

The idea is not perfect and I don't expect anyone to implement it, but it makes for some interesting discussion.

[<DV8>mrbucket]

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It's happened a few times to me as squad leader and when it does it is pretty funny- Taking a flag and arty comes and just about takes the whole squad, so me being squad leader, I try to stay alive. Another squad shows up for opposition when the flag is still grey, and it's me running around by myself against 4+ guys hunting me down. The squad respawns on me right before they get me and wipes out the other squad. It's pretty funny, and I wish I could see their faces when guys show up outta nowhere.

[JarEme]

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Seriously, you can't get a single person to join your squad.
Whoa. Never have that problem myself.

It's a locked squad. I used to leave it open, but I stopped after the zillionth person spawned on me and got me killed or drove up off in the humvee I was gunning from.

I saw my squad fill up 6 times tonight!
If what you say is true... well, you play with some really oblivious people, or you must really suck as SL.

You misunderstood me. I didn't mean squad members, but the Alpha -> India squad slots. It was a response to people "wasting squad slots."[/quote]


I like your second idea a lot more, since it seems less about punishing people who don't teamplay and more on keeping things equal.

I'd say it's wrong to reward a SL for sitting back and doing nothing. I think the guy who rushes the flag and annihilates everyone should get more points than the guy who SLs the "proper way." That's my way though.

[BigBadBob]

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I play as squad leader a lot, and I usually do not get that many points because I hang back to allow for moblie spawning. With that in mind, I wish that they would change the way that squad leaders get points, such as points for flag caps by your teammates or increase the size of the cap zone for squad leaders. They would have to be near the flags but not right on them. What do you guys think?

just cycle the squad when you or they die. So you can respawn back there again, instead of 1 person sitting back doing little or nothing.

Let's say this happens: A full squad of 6 run to a flag. all but 1 die. That person finds some cover and the rest of the squad leave and rejoin until he is leader. Then they respawn and attack again. Rinse, repeat as many times as needed to accomplish the goal.

[Wild_Wokman]

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The point in this discussion is to develop strong teams where each person has a role to play. In most cases as a squad leader, I am doing more than sitting back. I am usually at a spot that gives cover and concelment, but a good view of the objective, so that I can be looking for problems and redirecting the squad, such as seeing squad leaders and directing our assault into flanking positions, so we don't have to lose mass amounts of tickets to take a flag. For instance on Strike on Kirkard, most of the people rush head on into the first flag and try and duke it out with all of the MEC forces. In a lot of battles, the USMC takes massive losses. However, if a few squads flank to the left and right and attack the rear areas, the defenses can become fragmented and easily overwelmed by a squad that respawns in a good area. In most cases, a good squad leader can improve the effectiveness of a squad dramatically.

[NoseKi||s]

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I've read many threads about ideas to further improve the teamwork and how to encourage it by point rewards. There's been alot of debate if spotting (resulting in the spotted enemys death) enemies or obeying the commander be rewarded? I also think that the players of the winning team should be rewarded with some kind of bonus BUT...

The problem is that the more ways to get points you add, the more ways to stat padd there is.

Already ppl are complaining about how easy it is to medic whore and how little skill it takes to revive someone over and over even when u know he's just gonna get shot by that tank again.

I think having ppl spawn on you and getting points for that would be even easier than medic whoring allthough not as productive possibly:P

[WarGimp]

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I'd say it's wrong to reward a SL for sitting back and doing nothing. I think the guy who rushes the flag and annihilates everyone should get more points than the guy who SLs the "proper way." That's my way though.

Ah, but ya see, they aren't doing nothing. What they are doing is thinking and being smart. That should be rewarded, IMNSHO.

When I take on the SL role, my squad fills up very quickly. This is because I've earned a rep on the server I play on as being a good SL who will do things like take a stand off positon to let my boys spawn on me. Yeah, I'm man enough ta run and hide. :p

I honestly don't care that I'm not getting points for doing it. We win rounds and people have fun.

Of cource, I only pull the standoff thing when it's the best course of action. I'd much rather be in the hairball with me lads.

[Wild_Wokman]

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You hit it right on the head with the part about thinking! I hate it when I join a squad and the leader rushes right in and we all get killed by a grenade.

[WarGimp]

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Or worse... C4 on the flag.

I can't count the number of times I've come in on a flag, noticed C4 sitting there, run around to the back of the nearest building looking for cover (or the button pusher) just as theres and BOOM and my whole squad is blown ta kibble. This is about the time I start hearing things like "Gimp, we love ya!" as they respawn on me and take the durned flag.

[Kaiser_Weber]

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Which is another aspect I like about the idea. It would reduce the number of people wasting squad slots by going solo. I've seen altogether too many people taking Sl positions when they are effectivly just lonewolfing.

See i think you didn't understand ..I am not wanting to have a solo squad it just is that way sometimes..I for the most part do not invite people cause I perfer them to come on their own power cause that means they wanna be there. I would love to have a full squad all the time but it just doesnt happen that much..So what I was saying is I should not be penalized because everyone else wants to go lone wolf hense teh flaw in your idea..Ofcourse this is just my opinion, take it for what you like.:)

[WarGimp]

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Back it up a little and check out the amendment to the idea.

[Kaiser_Weber]

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Ahh I see the solution now..Good idea..I had not continues on yet i had just read your response to my post..My bad

Im sure you can understand as it is friday and there is 10 min before I get to leave for the day. I am a lil antsie

Im officially sold on the idea now..Now we just got to get it implemented