The P90

[unlimitedmp]

Re: The P90

I think the P90 will suck like the rest of the smgs. I saw the video of the guy shooting the enemy at close range (who was shooting back with a pistol). It took a while for him to kill the enemy (compared to the other weapons).

I'll prob stick with the Dao.

[skitzo]

Re: The P90

Think, he possibly could of missed a lot of shots.

[00SoldierofFortune00]

Re: The P90

So like I said. Now for the, what, third time?

I think the P90 with do about 15 damage. Yet, it will completely ignore body armor. That's my predicition in terms of the game.

The only reason I included realistic data was to provide a backbone for my opinion. Therefore, you folks wouldn't think I was just another random individual spouting off. I actually have a basis for my assumption/prediction, and I just wanted to share that with everyone.

Thus the point of a forum? Hope ya' enjoyed what I brought to the table?

{WP}Paas

All the weapons in the game factor in armor so that point you just made is void. And also, that video would be marketing if it only said what it could do instead of actually showing you. Weapons are not like other products which are hyped up because they actually test them out since they will be used to protect peoples lives. A weapon is not like an Ipod.

And the pistols don't even do 15 damage so there is no way in hell that it will do that little damage. It will still factor in armor and all of that so it will more likely be like the SMGs now than what you are describing it as.

[Daz]

Re: The P90

hehe go watch stargate sg1 they use the p90 often

Too bad it shoots lazers. :|:

[unlimitedmp]

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Think, he possibly could of missed a lot of shots.

Possible. But I saw a lot of hits being registered and both were motionless and ~2-3 meters apart.

[skitzo]

Re: The P90

Still, play around with the M249 SAW and it is spread up at full auto at close range too. Factor in a good burst say like a 5 round and he could be dead before you know it.

[Digital-Boy]

Re: The P90

Too bad it shoots lazers. :|:

:rofl:

[Paas]

Re: The P90

All the weapons in the game factor in armor so that point you just made is void. And also, that video would be marketing if it only said what it could do instead of actually showing you. Weapons are not like other products which are hyped up because they actually test them out since they will be used to protect peoples lives. A weapon is not like an Ipod.

And the pistols don't even do 15 damage so there is no way in hell that it will do that little damage. It will still factor in armor and all of that so it will more likely be like the SMGs now than what you are describing it as.

M4 Carbine... market to be a "Smaller, just as accurate, M16". Yet, it's design is flawed. The shorter barrel length causes the hot gases to have extended wear on parts.

The weapon is also notorios for getting exceptionally hot under continued automatic fire. It tends to jam more than it's larger cousin (M16) and is very vulnerable to sand. Yet, it was marketed as the next great evolution in the M4 SOPMOD kit.

..you wanna' say marketing doesn't affect things? Ok.. Ok. Here is more.

The military grade 5.56x45mm (Green Tipped). The 60gr projectile thought of as nothing more than a "Varmit Caliber in Military Clothing". The Army marketed it to the puplic as a "tumbler". The round, although small, would be able to fragment and tumble instide of a target. Thus, increasing it's kill capacity.

Sadly, the 5.56 military does little to down a man with multiple rounds to the chest. It also has horrible penetration within' urban/jungle enviroments (Iraq, Vietnam). It's only benefit is reduces recoil on sustained automatic fire, and the muzzle velocities this round is capable to produce. That means nothing when you factor in the fact a terrorist charging at you with a live frag can live through multiple 5.56 rounds to the chest, and still keep coming. Even with it's marketed "Tumble" ability. It's still unable to produce stopping power compared to that of a 9mm Para. up close.

You can Google all of this information your self. Furthermore, the video doesn't anybody being shot by the P90 (I assume they would have at least SOME combat footage). So, it didn't really show what the round could go against a human.

So, with this in mind, are you still going to tell me marketing doesn't have a place in military applications? The companies are STILL trying to SELL a PRODUCT. So, they will bend words just like McDonalds and Wal-Mart to get that product out. If you think otherwise, well, I have some vintage canadian Ak-47's to sell you. 15k a pop.

Now, if you disagree with my assumptions for the P90's implementation into the game. Cool. My basis for my idea is that the P90 has 50rds. to a mag. At 15 damage a round that would amount to 7 rounds to kill an opfor. That's about 13-15% of a mag. So, that's about 6 people per mag. I don't see a problem with that at all. Also, the P90's only "Up Side" is its armor punching capabilities, bringing that from reality to game would make it unique. Otherwise it's just a slightly modified version of the MEC submachinegun.

{WP}Paas

P.S. - Again, if you want to go futher into this discussion. Send me a PM.

[skitzo]

Re: The P90

Bump, I like the arguments.

[Lavadisk]

Re: The P90

the saw is going to be more acurate like all other smgs, snipers and chain guns. all of you got to stop complaining about something that isnt here and just wait. after the gun comes out you need to learn how to use it! every gun in bf2 has its place.

[00SoldierofFortune00]

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For one, you haven't shown any videos otherwise either. And 2, almost most people in the military dislike the 9mm because it has no stopping power and not as much as a 5.56. Check sites and they will counter argue your point all the time. There are problems with the M16/M4, but not as much as you say. The reasons the soldiers and Marines are dying is because they lack the armor which could save them since most of the time they are being hit with roadside bombs or IEDS. The soldiers and Marines win the majority of firefights they are againt. And about Vietnam, the size of the bullet didn't have anything to do with why the US suffered so many casulities.
It was dense jungle fighting which was new to the military and new tactics which no one could anticipate. Bullets going through the trees is bs because no one knew where the enemy was going to come from. It wasn't the straight forward war on teh front lines like before. Couple that with the stessful environment and cut down training of the military forces for the war and it isn't the bullet which did it.

You say can how much better the 9mm is and I can say how much better the 5.56 is, but they aren't changing it anytime soon anyway and the fact is that if it was a poor a round as you say it is, we would have even more soldiers and Marines dying. It is the poor quality of armor which is killing them because we have much better training then the enemy and they can make do with what they have at hand since they are not going to replace the caliber anytime soon. The Marines just purchased new M16A4s.

[skitzo]

Re: The P90

I agree. We probably took out more people in Iraq thanthey have to us. They just take the bodies away so we won't know. Vietnam, we didn't have the tactics. We went in Vietnam, and kicked @$$. The gorilla tactics that 'Charlie' used made it so that they can hit us and run so we could never pin them down and they took back alot of ground that we took because of that.
WP makes points and so does everyone. My dad believes that stopping power is everything. If a suicide bomber is coming at you, you need to take him out immediately. He says we need to go back to .45 because it stops a man and makes him drop on the spot, even if it isn't NATO. The P90 doesn't have a large caliber but it has a high ROF and also is pretty accurate, proven by the video that you can have 1 in each hande and still be pretty accurate. I say the P90 is gonna be effective if we do bursts if we need to.

[=[WOW]=Sisko]

Re: The P90

Too bad it shoots lazers. :|:

it shoots bullits, wtf u on about?

its in stargate, end of discussion :p

[skitzo]

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stargate...end of discussion. Stargate= stay off of drugs seriously.

[A4Skyhawk]

Re: The P90

All the weapons in the game factor in armor so that point you just made is void.

Not all the weapons factor in armour. I'm pretty sure the M82 doesn't as it reduces everyone to 2 bars of health regardless.