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  • bitvomit

    #16
    Re: Admins Dilema

    Originally posted by TopGunGreg
    1. many one shot tank kills
    2. 100% accuracy in dive bombing
    3. helos that kills with 1 rocket
    4. tank shots dead on from out of nowhere
    1.
    One shot tank kills are possible. But many? During the same round? I'd say it's plausible that they have some sort of aimbot that can automatically hit armor sweetspots on a dime. It is very difficult to hit the proper spot in a heated game and doing it many times in the course of a game is suspicious to me.
    2.
    Dive bombing is always 100% accurate. You have to understand that when you are diving you are essentially aiming your bombs with the nose of the jet so they will go wherever you aim. Now if you somehow confused dive bombing with regular bombing, I still would not be that suspicious about it. Bombing is a skill and some people can be very good at it. But that does not rule out the fact that there may be cheats out there that can autobomb for you or whatever it may be called.
    3.
    I hope you are not talking about the TV missile. If you mean regular missiles then I would be suspicious of it as well. They are definitly not the easiest weapon to aim in the game.
    4.
    Most suspicious of all. I can do long range tank kills but it's next to impossible (for me anyway) to hit something that's just beyond the fog. Someone made a thread on these forums not too long ago detailing a cheat that had a feature that eliminates the draw distance fog so you can see the entire map provided you have the hardware to do it. Given this information, I would definitly keep a closer eye on players that get fishy kills like this.

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    • sus100

      #17
      Re: Admins Dilema

      Iythink the problem is not only if the people are using hacks and such but wether the people that come on the server are enjoying it. After all that is the whole point of having a server. Getting a good game going.
      If people aren't having fun then they will go some where else. BF2 has plenty we can be choosy as to the server we use. By having fun i don't mean getting easy kills and running riot. I mean just that, having fun. Sometimes u win sometime not.
      As an admin i feel that that might be your aim.
      Example. Usually play on the IMA cities server, good fun, always my first choice. Past few days things have changed. A clan or two have taken over. There is bunny hopping and dolphin diving galore. At the sound of a shot everyone of them jumps like mad.
      Also one shot kills all the time. Doesn't matter wether you shot them in the back...they will jump and turn and boom. Base raping boy do they like that. They don't cap it, they occupy it and take out anyone spawning there.
      Annoying things to put up with. But the problem is not them but the admins that don't enforce their rules. What was a fun occupired server is now IMO ruined. Not fun anymore unless your in WS clan.

      Were they doing anything wrong..maybe for some people no. Was the server the worst off for them and theri tactics? yes, because people were complaining all the time about them.

      Wow longest bloody post ive ever written. Brain hurts.

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      • [SAJ]Sentinel

        #18
        Re: Admins Dilema

        helos that kills with 1 rocket
        Hmmm. Ok, seems you're refering to lone pilots who are switching seats and shooting/guiding TV missiles? Many people do it every day. I love flying/gunning alone, and I've been called cheater dozens of times, yet it's not even "abusing" the game, let alone "cheating". Takes a bit of practice and skill, and nothing else.

        Would you really ban someone because of that?

        When I see good attack chopper pilot (or duo), and I can't get into chopper, I go for jeeps and shoot them down. I love doing that.

        They are VERY EASY to be taken care of, so instead of calling them "cheaters", simply take them down.

        Note: key is NOT to spend long time in one position :) If you start shooting at attack chopper, and it turns towards you, a) jump out and run b) get into driver seat and drive TOWARDS the attack chopper, so that you get BELOW it. And hope there is no good gunner inside who'll shoot you w/ chaingun :)

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        • Chadman

          #19
          Re: Admins Dilema

          Originally posted by Flares
          Greg. During two rounds I was accused of cheating several times tonight, harrassed on text, multiple attempts at vote kicks and one guy even teamswapped to kill me. They couldn't understand how one guy could kill attack helos etc with aircraft cannon in one pass. I was a cheating, hacking SOB (sob being the most polite insult I can type here... ) and was even threatened with violence by one person. Quite funny really. Especially as the main offender reckoned he was 39 after I suggested he grow up... Embarrassing.
          All because I was kicking their butts in an FA/18 on Fushee Pass. I've been flying sims for around eighteen years, played in sim teams, won competitions etc and have nearly 200 hours in BF2 jets, so if I wasn't very competent then I'd go get my eyes tested. :) The thing is I'm not the best pilot out there, there's plenty who can give me a kicking, but on this ranked, official server, I happened to be the best at the time (and they happened to be very bad. ). Gawd knows what they'd do if they came up against Theholymasterofwar or one of the other players I've seen get crazy scores in jets.

          Would you have banned me?
          I can vouch for Flares' skill in planes, as I have played on the same team, and against him on many occasions in other games. The only thing that bugs me about this game, is a lack of a padlock view...I like to know where my nme is :)

          But then good players have always been on the receiving end of abuse from others. Counterstrike was rife with it, you couldnt be good and not be accused of hacking.

          Maybe its a defence mechanism for the ego of other players. They cant handle the fact that someone else might be better than they are, so they convince themselves they are hacking, then that makes it ok.

          I guess its up to the judgement of the Admins if such players get kicked. Some admins will recognise a good player, others will react as above

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          • imported_TheDragon
            Member
            • Oct 2006
            • 1476

            #20
            Re: Admins Dilema

            thanks for replies
            I really appreciate it
            the few times I suspected real hackers in a plane
            I actually requested that I fly with them as 2nd seat
            the ones that did - well they were really good !!
            the ones that locked thier squad and "whored' the vechile
            well - I kicked them
            (for more than 1 reason)

            and for all the posts here that say
            "no 1 tank kills can happene to heathy tanks"
            I believe it and have done LOTS of testing with other clan members
            well - it has happened to me alot
            (not c4, not other things
            just me and another tank)
            or if he shoots 4 shots to my 2
            (with all my hours in a tank - i have a pretty good feel for rate of fire)
            I kick then for cheating
            if they logback and ask why - and I tell the them and they sound reasonable - I let them stay - If I do not like what they say = they get banned
            might sound harsh, but we try real hard to have clean fun games in our server

            or 1 hit AT vs tanks
            or 1 AT hit vs helos
            or 1 hit helo rocket vs helo (while in a high speed turn)

            if these types of things happen more than 3 times in a given game - they get banned as not being probable no matter how good they might be

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            • Lamri35UK

              #21
              Re: Admins Dilema

              Originally posted by -(PK)-DarkIllusion
              you know, there are some people out there that are atually skilled enough to pilot &switch to gunner mode& use the tv-guided misiles...
              I tried that once.
              "You will respawn in 15,14,13..."
              I DID SAY i tried it ONCE!!!

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              • jjames010

                #22
                Re: Admins Dilema

                help you aid your search and determining cheaters... this is real easy...



                MBL list is at 1100 players as we speak. Yes, PB can be fooled, and no, not every cheat is detected.. but many are. The more servers that adopt this method for cheat detection the more bans will be produced.

                Xm3rcX

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                • imported_SpungE

                  #23
                  Re: Admins Dilema

                  Greg, you are aware that it is not possible to make a 1 shot hack because the damage is serverside.

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                  • imported_TheDragon
                    Member
                    • Oct 2006
                    • 1476

                    #24
                    Re: Admins Dilema

                    Originally posted by Sir. Spunge
                    Greg, you are aware that it is not possible to make a 1 shot hack because the damage is serverside.
                    well, as I do not know how any hacks are made,
                    so hard to comment
                    but if 1 shot kills are not possible
                    eg with AT
                    then how do they do it?
                    server bugs??

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                    • jjames010

                      #25
                      Re: Admins Dilema

                      search in these forums. With a Tank, APC or AT kit, there is a sweet spot on the tank you can kill it within 1 shot.

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