Aircraft Carrier AA defence needs a massive buff

[BigBadBob]

Re: Aircraft Carrier AA defence needs a massive buff

first : there are 2 AA towers on carriers (i wonder why i never see anyone in the turret on the bridge ...) and b) i dont know about you , but i tear apart anything coming near the carrier with it ina matter of seconds.

me too. I don't use the Essex AA site much, but a plane comes in, he may kill me, but will have to do many passes over airfield to survive the next pass.

If you are MEC/China the Essex can be your friend. Fly over and let the noobs on the ship shoot down the jet chasing you. Then fly back and blow up the guns.

[CtrlAltDe1337]

Re: Aircraft Carrier AA defence needs a massive buff

Why do ppl complain about the Essex? Look at any china/MEC airfield on the map, what do you get? 1 IGLA site. Compare that to the Essex, which gets two cannons and 16 missles total.

[imported_DwarfVader]

Re: Aircraft Carrier AA defence needs a massive buff

It doesn't matter that there is 2 of them.

Good pilots can take them both down, EASILY, trust me I'm not a good pilot and I've done it many times. All the J10 has to do is come in lined up with the carrier from the west and the AA emplacement near the tower can't see it, take out the one at the end of the deck and you're free to rotate around and take the other one on the 2nd pass.

With the patch the fixes to the stingers SHOULD help a little bit, but they do need to make those guns a little bit more powerful. Its not like the guns are moving around, or going to rape spawn points, and they can't be used by the enemy so make them more powerful. Its easier to take the emplacement down with J10 guns then it is for the emplacement to take down a oncoming J10 or BigBetty (big MEC/PLA helo.)

It needs to be fixed.

[Digital-Boy]

Re: Aircraft Carrier AA defence needs a massive buff

Actually I believe there supposed to be Phalanx CIWS because that's what the look like. (bad investigative work on Dices part).

The Phalanx CIWS is not an anti aircraft system, its an anti-missile system.

in other words it shoots down missiles, not aircraft.

There are no anti-ship missiles in BF2, so it's obviously there to shoot down aircraft. Also...

Phalanx has been developed through a number of different configurations. The basic style is the Block 0. The Block 1 (1988) offers various improvements in radar, ammunition, rate of fire and computing. Block 1A introduced a new computer system. The Block 1B PSuM (Phalanx Surface Mode, 1999) adds a forward looking infrared (FLIR) sensor to allow the weapon to be used against surface targets. This addition was developed to provide ship defense against small vessel threats and other "floaters" in littoral waters and to improve the weapon's performance against slower low-flying aircraft.

Granted, the phalanx turrets are infinitely better than the measly IGLA sites the MEC and PLA get for their airfields, they’re still rather weak.

[Sir. bzb]

Re: Aircraft Carrier AA defence needs a massive buff

Why do ppl complain about the Essex? Look at any china/MEC airfield on the map, what do you get? 1 IGLA site. Compare that to the Essex, which gets two cannons and 16 missles total.

Yeah, its not fair, both sides should be able to get as many jet tks as the other :p

[imported_TigerRei]

Re: Aircraft Carrier AA defence needs a massive buff

Most people complain about the Essex-mounted Phalanx cannons, I dont know why. Just a short burst to the cockpit tends to kill the pilot. Explosions do carry through the glass.

[raceacontari]

Re: Aircraft Carrier AA defence needs a massive buff

the problem is not the essex guns, but lack of people using them. if we are getting raped, i jump in the gun on the bridge, since no one ever uses it. Jets rarely target it, and the same with the choppers. If both AA are being used, and the people in them know what they are doing, it's hard for the chinese team to base rape.

[Flares]

Re: Aircraft Carrier AA defence needs a massive buff

I'd have to agree with the more positive posters. I've not had a problem shooting down jets, or scaring them off never to return. Learn to lead your fire correctly, and aim for the cockpit. If the deck is being hammered regularly, maybe consider becoming an engineer, do a long shift in the turrets and repair them if necessary. Man both turrets and life gets very difficult for pilots. Only the very best who put some extra thought into their flying, will target both the anti air turrets before moving onto the vehicles/infantry.

[Twisted-]

Re: Aircraft Carrier AA defence needs a massive buff

My opinion of it is coming from a jet whore, while the servers i play on attacking an uncappable in a vehicle is not allowed you are still allowed to take out AA emplacements. I mostly spend my time fighting air to air, so i make passes around the carrier quite often to see what vehicles are absent from their spawning location.

Every time i make a pass around the back of the carrier there is normally someone on the end AA, this is a sitting duck and an easy kill i don't think i've ever died by it. It only takes 2-3 seconds of your gun fire to take it out and coming from behind they are normally looking the other way. I normally take this AA out every time i pass even if there isnt anyone in it.

However the otherone i overlook every time, i've been shot down by this one quite a few times the position it's in gives you limited angles to make an attack on it from behind and attacking them front on will lead to death if the gunner knows what he is doing and aims for the cockpit.

Like others stated i can see them working well together, most pilots would go for the end one first every time i'd imagine leaving themselves wide open to an attack.

[sav112]

Re: Aircraft Carrier AA defence needs a massive buff

there is another way to enter the cannon system thats not at the back of the ship?

[motorboatJones]

Re: Aircraft Carrier AA defence needs a massive buff

I use the cannon when playing USMC on Oman. I have shot down lots of planes. Like someone said, if you see them before they see you it's easy. If not, they can sneak up on you and bomb you. The minimap in the cannon shows friendlies, but not enemy. stupid.

The thing that kills me is that I have had choppers come at me head on. I open up with the guns and missiles but it won't take them down. Really stupid logic. I'm talking the MEC transport chopper, too, not just the Mi-28. It's pretty frustrating when you open up on a defenseless transport chopper and it flies right passed you.

[Varsol]

Re: Aircraft Carrier AA defence needs a massive buff

I find that the 2 CWIS emplacements, IF both are being used, are at least formidable against carrier attackers. You may not kill them their first run, but they'll probably be more careful after seeing two streams of tracers and 16 missles going towards them.

My issue is that once the BHs, boats and cobras exit the range of essex defenses they're once again fair game. If only the essex could steam it's ass into the middle of the fight and let it flex it's muscles. . .

[Riggz]

Re: Aircraft Carrier AA defence needs a massive buff

All you need to know is...it's all about the guns..

[sav112]

Re: Aircraft Carrier AA defence needs a massive buff

[QUOTE=Varsol]I find that the 2 CWIS emplacements, IF both are being used, QUOTE]

So there is a second position to enter, now they tell me.... I must have played wake a million times and seen enamy planes control the airspace over the carrier. first thing tonight i'll have to take a look and try and find the second gun.....

[DrMcleod]

Re: Aircraft Carrier AA defence needs a massive buff

So where are the latest patch notes?

It seems like common sense that the Carrier AA should be hugely improved, purely in the interests of gameplay. It is no fun whatsoever to be standing on a carrier deck getting bombed or hit by artillery (in fact Artillery should not be able to hit the carrier period).
What IS fun is hopping into a Blackhawk with a squad and hitting the beach, guns blazing. A bit more of that sort of action, and a bit less air spam would be a great improvement.