Adding mini-guns to MEC & PLA choppers

[Eddy01741]

Re: Adding mini-guns to MEC & PLA choppers

The Chinese and MEC transport need one of these:



Russian GShG 7.62mm minigun. Fires the same rounds(more or less) that the M134(Blackhawk minigun) does at the same rate of fire(4000rpm). Add that sucker to the Chinese and Mec helos, then BAM Blackhawk becomes balanced. Problem solved.

As far as putting 50cals on the Blackhawk, that's harping on the wrong issue. The issue isn't that the Blackhawk with its miniguns is too powersful, its that the Chinese and MEC transport helos can't match it which makes them almost useless.

I've already got one modeled but haven't got around to skinning yet, probably going to remodel it if I can find some decent reference pictures. I was going to put it on the MI-8(MEC transport helo) in a map I'm working on.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...saur/GShG1.jpg

THe gattling based mg u have on ur post has a slower rate of fire than the minigun in real life (the minigun fires at 6000rpm), but the minigun in game shoots 5.56 bullets at a rate of fire of 900rpm (ya, EA messed it up, AGAIN), so i guess EA could just make that gun u posted the same, by just modding the damage and the ROF to match the current minigun in game.

[BarkingSquirrel]

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The M134 fires at 4000 max and can also select 2000. It CAN be modified to fire 5.56 but theres no reason too so it rarely does.

M134 Gatling Machine Gun (7.62mm minigun)
Description.The M134 (Air Force GAU-2B/A) is a 7.62mm, six-barrel, externally powered weapon for use on light fixed-wing aircraft and helicopters. It is a highly reliable, high rate of fire machine gun using the Gatling principle. The gun rate is selectable for either a Low 2,000 spm or High 4,000 spm (shots per minute) setting. Also available to users is a flash suppressor and a bullet trap

http://tri.army.mil/LC/CS/csa/kpm27.htm#M134

That is unless of course, you think the Army is wrong about it's own equipment.

[puglous]

Re: Adding mini-guns to MEC & PLA choppers

I like organizing black hawk squads too much to want to see the black hawk get nerfed. I think it would be worth the price of getting mowed down on Mashtuur city 3 or 4 times a round. Blackhawks motivate teamwork and strategy, while the MEC/PLA copters don't last long enough to do so. I'd rather see them increase the power of the MEC/PLA copters. However, to do that it would only be fair for them to also decrease the power of the gun on the MEC attack heli and decrease the power of the j-10.

The teams are balanced as long as the j-10 and black hawk or MEC attack heli and black hawk are in the same map, but this isn't always the case (examples: Songhua and Mashtuur), so it might be better just to have all vehicles equal.

[tcp1]

Re: Adding mini-guns to MEC & PLA choppers

In game you can destroy APCs with the miniguns and trust me I have been shot out of the cockpit with them. Try it on the next APC you find and you will see.

[sp187mf9]

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In game you can destroy APCs with the miniguns and trust me I have been shot out of the cockpit with them. Try it on the next APC you find and you will see.

This man is right you can take down a apc with the blackhawk.

[tWiStEdGoat]

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I don't know. I don't mind the .50 on the MEC chopper too much. A little more challenging, but if used right it can be almost as devestating. It overheats way too fast though, and I agree with whoever said it should have a slightly hire ROF.

[Odedge]

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So I say nerf the BH, because its silly how easy they take down infantry, its only going to be worse if all 3 sides has the same infantry mowing ability.

This is the fact that people who like the idea of both sides having mini guns forget. Having these guns on transport choppers makes them more of an assault weapons, especially on maps that don't have attack choppers and jets.

The mini guns take essentially no skill to use and are weapon of spam! Spamming of any kind is not helpful to the game. In Mashtuur, all infantry are dead before they can realize it. 50 cals take some skill to use and thus all transport choppers should have them.

[Six.]

Re: Adding mini-guns to MEC & PLA choppers

Why don't we just have transport helis with no guns at all. Ur reg BH don't have guns, unless ur talking about the pave hawk, or other varients like those. And many of the other varients of the BH have the .50 cal M2 machinegune, infact, most of them have the 50 cal.

I CONCUR!...

either that- or make the blackhawk a little weaker- like... 1 anti-tank rocket will do the trick.
Usually- it takes a lot of teamwork to take down a blackhawk without enough armaments or air power to match- the PLA and MEC transport choppers guns- though they may be more powerful- you're firing a really slow gun into the distance hoping to hit what seems to be an ant- where all the BH minigunner has to do is look in that general direction and fire to score a kill. Usually- it actually only takes on bullet from the minigun to score a kill anyway.

And on the subject of teamwork... teamwork isn't easily found in a BF2 world of people who are just in it for themselves (which paradoxically gets them killed more), spawn camping, stat padding, and vehicle/aircraft whoring. But hey, what can anyone do about that? nothing.

[Bram_Toker]

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Why not make the mini-guns have limited ammo...making it necessary for a resupply ONLY at the helipad..

If you have to do it for the attack choppers, why should it be any different from the hawk?

[[3SA]D|Sgt.Colinloves]

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This man is right you can take down a apc with the blackhawk.

This man is right about the other man being right. You can take them out before the gun overheats.

[DrJambo]

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Nerf blackhawk guns a little - and to balance nerf the mobility of the J-10 a little. Blackhawks are not supposed to be assault choppers and like someone mentioned previously their use on maps which have no attacker choppers or jets means they get used as assault choppers to circle bases and mow down spawning infantry.

[BarkingSquirrel]

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Uh that's the entire point of the US forces arming it to begin with so It can support ground forces with suppressive fire. You don't slap on 2 6 barreled electricly driven weapons that fire at 4000rpm onto a transport helo just for the hell of it.

Hanging around and decimating the enemy while friendlies maneuver in is the whole frigging point. Just be glad its NOT an assault UH-60 like the AH-60 DAP(Blackhawk with FFARs, Hellfires and can also mount such other fun doo dads as Stingers, 3 barrled 50cal gattling guns and the M230 chaingun from the Apache).

Turning a vehicle into something it is not, is not a solution. Bringing the others up to par and turning them into what they're supposed to be, is a solution. Nerfing is counter-productive to the gaming formula. If you nerf one thing, something else becomes unbalanced and needs to be nerfed. The "nerf the Blackhawks but then nerf the J-10" comments are a perfect example. Its a never ending process that does nothing but water down a game.

I do think the unlimited ammo has to go though.

[Bullit_toof]

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Why not make the mini-guns have limited ammo...making it necessary for a resupply ONLY at the helipad..

If you have to do it for the attack choppers, why should it be any different from the hawk?

Thats a dam good point if i may say so. Perhaps give the slower firing guns more ammo, and the quicker firing ones less. Makes sense.

I'd like to see M60 mods for BH. Just so i can say "get some get some get some get some" when i'm firing them at people. Usually Vietnamese civilians.

[megamanfre]

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Id love the transports to have a machine gun that the pilot can shoot, especially on the blackhawk.

I think some blackhawks have a pilot (or co pilot) controlled rocket launcher, but that wouldnt be too balanced considering the apache has the rockets.

[DrunkenPirate]

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canada sucks....and that's y i'm in it....

Go somewhere if you want to troll thanks.