Incorrect use of the term LAG

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  • « R²» HKS

    #1

    Incorrect use of the term LAG

    I thought I would point out that the majority of people who play BF2 and SF misunderstand what the term LAG actually is and means. The definition of lag is slang for network latency. Basically its the time for all the 0's and 1's to travel from your PC to the server and back again. This is measured in milliseconds or your "ping".

    The reason I brought this up is because I see a few people on our server complain of lag or blame something happening because of lag. eg. "sorry but I lagged, or does anyone have lag?"

    Our server never lags, ever, period. Why doesn't it lag? It has resources/power to burn. Way more than you need for BF2 or SF. It only uses 3% of its 100mbit pipe. Hmm love to have that net connection at home :p It has never exceeded 80% CPU resources. This includes running VOIP an Battle Recorder. Now EA recommends not to run BR on 64 player maps because it takes a massive amount of grunt, yet our dedicated box, which we don't share with anyone, unlike 99% of BF2 servers which have more than 1 instance of BF2 playing at the same time. Without BR running it uses less than 30% CPU.

    Those that complain of lag maybe 3 out of 50 players on a 64 player map. They always ask if anyone else is lagging and the usual response is nothing or no. I saw this several times last night and started to ask questions about their PC. If my PC doesn't lag when connected and I have a 200 ping then its not due to network latency per say its due to their PC not being up to spec for BF2. It plays like a LAN game for me or in other words my PC can handle 64 player maps.

    This makes me ask the question to the person crying lag something about their PC. The 1st question I ask is how much RAM do you have? The people who cry LAG have 1 thing in common, a lack of RAM. Its a well documented fact that BF2 is resource hungry and a memory whore. 1.5 - 2gig is what you need. I know a lot know this but it seems a lot don't. All these people I ask usually have 512mb of RAM and they are trying to play 64 player maps. They also have crappy vid cards as well. They meet the minumum requirements for the game but that is not what you need for 64 player maps.

    People with 512mb should really only play 16 player maps. 1gig 32 player maps, 1.5-2gig+ 64 player maps. Use this as the BF2 rule of thumb.

    If you experience what you may think is LAG then you need to be "realisitic" as to whether your PC can handle playing the different map sizes. Don't expect to play 64 player maps and have your PC run smooth if you only have 512mb RAM. If your PC is not running smoothly lower your graphic settings. This is the key. People try to run at too high settings to make the game look nice at the expense of smooth gameplay.

    There are other factors such as packet loss which can cause lag and connection problem warnings so it may also be associated with your ISP. 128k upload is what you need to play BF2 smoothly without LAG and download speed of 512k is recommended.

    So next time you think you are lagging take a moment to think and be realistic as to whether your PC has enough RAM/CPU/VID/Connection grunt to be able to play BF2. Don't forget that not all servers are the same, as mentioned, some have up to 10 instances of BF2 running at the same time and the server can't handle the load. This is when everyone experiences whats perceived as LAG not just a few people.

    Avoid 64 player maps unless your PC can handle them or upgrade your PC so it can if you must play 64 player maps.

    Hope this helps some people.
  • big_sammy_b

    #2
    Re: Incorrect use of the term LAG

    lag is not defined purely by network latency. A pc with hardware unable to run bf2 at the settings someone has might allso experience lag, hardware lag.

    Lag just means latency not necercarily network latency.

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    • « R²» HKS

      #3
      Re: Incorrect use of the term LAG

      Originally posted by big_sammy_b
      lag is not defined purely by network latency. A pc with hardware unable to run bf2 at the settings someone has might allso experience lag, hardware lag.

      Lag just means latency not necercarily network latency.
      LAG as I said was a slang term "orginally" to describe network latency. Gamers are the ones who have adopted the term to mean more than this and often refer to lack of PC resources to be LAG but its technically incorrect.

      The point more so was referring to inadequate PC resources. Or your PC is a piece of outdated crap that either needs to be replaced or upgraded and for people to understand what is required to play large maps.

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      • big_sammy_b

        #4
        Re: Incorrect use of the term LAG

        well you just said it was a slang term and so does not have a definative description. Lag for me describes latency nothing more.

        Even not relating to compters. You might be on the phone to a friend in anoither country on a dodgy line and find you experience 'lag' as in when they speak theres a couple of seconds delay before you hear it.

        Or another example is in the old days when on the news they would have a reporter reporting live via satellite and as the presenter would talk to the reporter there would be 'lag' because there would be a delay between the question being asked and the reporter hearing it.

        Turbo lag on a car is another example. In a car thats turbod the engine has a turbine in the exhaust which only moves when the exhaust levels reach a certain rev ie: 2000rpm and so those cars have turbos 'lag'.

        In fact turbo lag is the best example because its a term thats been used since like the 1970's long before internet gaming. :)

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        • « R²» HKS

          #5
          Re: Incorrect use of the term LAG

          OK I see your point so maybe it wasn't the best name for the thread however like I said its regarding a PC environment in which it came from network latency.

          I also understand all about turbo lag having helped develop a Nissan Skyline GTR to be as lag free and therefore as responsive as possible using correctly matched turbos. But that's another story.

          Again my point of the whole thread has been missed. Thanks for pointing that out.

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          • imported_DigitalSPG

            #6
            Re: Incorrect use of the term LAG

            I only have 512Mb of ram and a 3 year old radeon gfx card. I mainly play 32 player games yet my ping rarely goes over 20. I am on a 10Mb cable connection. I always figured my low ping it was down to that.

            What I do notice is that when you get a couple of players on a server with 100+ ping the game does begin to 'lag' (don't know what the correct term is now!) even having just one player with a very high ping seem to make the game a little jerky.

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            • « R²» HKS

              #7
              Re: Incorrect use of the term LAG

              Originally posted by DigitalSPG
              I only have 512Mb of ram and a 3 year old radeon gfx card. I mainly play 32 player games yet my ping rarely goes over 20. I am on a 10Mb cable connection. I always figured my low ping it was down to that.

              What I do notice is that when you get a couple of players on a server with 100+ ping the game does begin to 'lag' (don't know what the correct term is now!) even having just one player with a very high ping seem to make the game a little jerky.
              LOL I don't know what the correct term is either. However it makes no difference for low ping or high ping I have found. What you can notice though if server connection is not capable of handling a lot of players, as in there is a lack of bandwidth all players pings will increase. That is LAG.

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              • Grafisk

                #8
                Re: Incorrect use of the term LAG

                Lag is delay (backed up by http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/th...0888700.html ).

                Therefore, it is completely ok to say "I lagged" when the computer hung up for a short time.

                Period.

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                • WarGimp

                  #9
                  Re: Incorrect use of the term LAG

                  Brag, brag, brag Capt. :p

                  Yeah, having some kick arse heardware 'n a truely fat pipe makes a world of difference.

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                  • imported_DigitalSPG

                    #10
                    Re: Incorrect use of the term LAG

                    I did try a USB headset a little while back and that sent my ping up to 300+. I later found out that they were quite RAM hungry and the computer couldn't cope. Hopefully I am getting a new 2Gb machine delivered today so it will be interesting to see what the differences are.

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                    • PBAsydney

                      #11
                      Re: Incorrect use of the term LAG

                      I run 64 player maps smooth on my 512mb RAM along with the ATi X300, Geometry, Terrain and Effects are on medium, all other are on low, view distance full, no AA

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                      • x0pht

                        #12
                        Re: Incorrect use of the term LAG

                        Originally posted by PBAsydney
                        I run 64 player maps smooth on my 512mb RAM along with the ATi X300, Geometry, Terrain and Effects are on medium, all other are on low, view distance full, no AA
                        i guess ur video ram must be 256MB?

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                        • Red Ghost

                          #13
                          Re: Incorrect use of the term LAG

                          Originally posted by <<R2>>Capt.HKS
                          blurb.
                          Yes your server will have latency problems. Nobody in the world can claim that their server does not suffer from and form of problems, it would be silly. However i'm not sure you are understanding what that person might have been saying. he said "sorry but I lagged, or does anyone have lag?". This implies that HE had problems with his connection (happens to the best connections with this game code). It works both ways, so he was simply asking if anyone else had latency problems so he would know if its just him or not.

                          Lag just reffers to latency, the word just means "A condition of slowness or retardation" whcih can be applied to either hardware, network or anything where a response time is measureable.

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                          • Sir. Shpox

                            #14
                            Re: Incorrect use of the term LAG

                            People misusing the term lag is one of the very least of problems that I encounter on BF2

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                            • aLLyBOOM
                              Member
                              • Jul 2005
                              • 687

                              #15
                              Re: Incorrect use of the term LAG

                              People say 'lag' rather than 'i just crashed the plane due to connection problems' because it is easier...

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