Punish system destroyed Engineer Class

[imported_Svartberg]

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I agree the eng class gets ruined by problematic issues, and it's a shame since this class is potentially very important teamwork wise.

I think the whole teamkill punish is stupid, especially for the mines.
A person should automatically lose one or two points for a tk so he'll know he should watch it next time - it's not like the punish system actually helps against the teamkillers on purpose, all it does is just stirr bad winds inside the team and encourage people to be lone wolves.

Back to the eng part, i found it kind of fun to be the driver of an apc/jeep and act as a mobile repair station was also really fun repairing bridges to open ways for the vehicles on the way, and plant mines around enemy routes.
Also the shotgun is pretty fun to kill with, and you always got the pistol for medium ranges. (as contrary to what i initially thought)
Too bad this class is used as much as short range snipers :P

[BigBadBob]

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I hardly ever see a server with punish on anymore.

Also as i said in a previous post on here, I usually destroy mines. No matter if a teammate layed them or the enemy. Because as we all know, there's a much greater risk of a teammate hitting them than the enemy. Even if they are at the entrance to their only base with 32 people on that side. 99% of the time, your guys will hit them.

[PREDATOR-SK]

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i also agree that the punishment system is a joke were u have some people who see it was there fault or c that u said sorry and forgive u. BUT THE u have these F**king retards who think there is no way it could ever be there fault so they punish even if u say sorry untill u get blocked, especialy if there in ur squad and u apoligise and the still punish so i give them a little verble abuse. what i usaly do it if the tk was my fault i wont punish, but if it wasnt 80% of the time i wont punish but the other 20% i give the person the time untill i respawn to say sorry or show some responce then i wont punish but if they dont its a punish!

[Moke]

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In the last 20 games of BF2 I played.. I cannot recall seeing any
mines laying anywhere on the map.. NONE, ZERO.

I play mostly wake island only..

I would have loved to play the engineer class more, especially after
unlocking the shotgun, but I stopped using it shortly after giving it a
try.. because I would get punished 99.999999999999999999% of the
time for teammates who didnt know what the big red X meant..

The punish system in BF2 is a total joke. Just take a standard 2 point
deduction for a team kill, accidental or not, and go on with it.. why did
DICE decide they would give someone a option to punish another player?

Didnt they realize the obvious.. EVERYONE IS GOING TO PUNISH NO
MATTER WHOS FAULT IT IS.. Sure go ahead and say; 'oh I dont punish
when its accident, or whatever..' BULLLLL SH|T. Then why do I and
ALL my buddies get punished 99.999999999999% of the time..

Its one of the biggest jokes of BF2..

I play engy most of the time, and I hear you loud and clear.... Ive learned to place mines so that Friendly have a better chance of spotting those... its the buggys that are the biggest trouble... they go so fast its hard to see the mine before you go boom. (tried this my self even.... and didnt punish)...

Sidenote : Its a common misunderstanding that a punish will get you more -points.... it doenst... its -4 no matter what.. the punish goes to determine wheter or not you should be kicked...

The times you notice you have more than -4 points for a TK, its because you managed to do a team damage or Vehicledamage before actually killing them

[imported_Svartberg]

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That's good to know Moke, as i've been told by nearly everyone otherwise (haven't bothered to test it really), guess i won't really care about this anymore, thanks.

[[3SA]D|Sgt.Colinloves]

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Ive said it before and Im gonna say it agian..

Wot gets me the most is when you ask "why the hell you punish me?" some other ass goes and says "well you shouldnt TK then"

That makes me more mad that the fool that punished me.

BAN the lot of them!!!!!!!!!! name and shame (Ive said that before too)

[BIFF EXPLODER]

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Ive said it before and Im gonna say it agian..

Wot gets me the most is when you ask "why the hell you punish me?" some other ass goes and says "well you shouldnt TK then"

That makes me more mad that the fool that punished me.

BAN the lot of them!!!!!!!!!! name and shame (Ive said that before too)

with me no one ever says anything, when i ask them why they punished, they never say anything, they just act like i'm not talkin to them.

the point is, ppl are cowards, cowards that like to have the power of taking away ppl points that usually are hard to earn with engineer class.

[gehirnstav]

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I like the punishing system. Back in 1942 days teamkillers had the chance to completely ruin the game. I've never seen this in bf2. The tks are kicked/banned after circa 3 teamkills. Thats good!
It's simple: If you don't like to be kicked, don't kill your teammates. I don't like the idea to remove tks for mines. Teammembers should help their team and not blow it up with mines. If you can't lay mines without to teamkill don't lay mines. Use C4 instead.
Thats not an engineer rant. I think engys should get more points for repairing and get better weapons and maybe another advantage such as better weapons or something.

[BIFF EXPLODER]

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I like the punishing system. Back in 1942 days teamkillers had the chance to completely ruin the game. I've never seen this in bf2. The tks are kicked/banned after circa 3 teamkills. Thats good!
It's simple: If you don't like to be kicked, don't kill your teammates. I don't like the idea to remove tks for mines. Teammembers should help their team and not blow it up with mines. If you can't lay mines without to teamkill don't lay mines. Use C4 instead.
Thats not an engineer rant. I think engys should get more points for repairing and get better weapons and maybe another advantage such as better weapons or something.

u have noooooooooooooooooo idea of what u are talkin about.

[The Question]

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Probably because "99.99999999999999%" of BF2 players don't understand the concepts of human error, admiting mistakes, bad judgement, fair play, mercy/compassion, etc.

To answer your question: yes. Probably.

I consider human error, miscalculations, impared sight, greed, mistakes when I punish or forgive. I truly do!!!

[vbl]

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This thread contains a few ideas on how to fix the TK issue in relation to Engineers.

[The Question]

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This thread contains a few ideas on how to fix the TK issue in relation to Engineers.

What does the vietnam one do with the shovel..?

[vbl]

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What does the vietnam one do with the shovel..?

Engineers could "dig tunnels" - it basically allowed the Engie to create (or pack up) a portable spawn point anywhere on the map. If I recall, only one tunnel spawn could be active at a given time.

[gehirnstav]

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u have noooooooooooooooooo idea of what u are talkin about.

Tell me why please!

[The Question]

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Engineers could "dig tunnels" - it basically allowed the Engie to create (or pack up) a portable spawn point anywhere on the map. If I recall, only one tunnel spawn could be active at a given time.

Did it look like a tunnel or was just called a tunnel?