Whats the use of Friendly Fire? Something needs to be done! Please Read!!!

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  • Folgrin

    #1

    Whats the use of Friendly Fire? Something needs to be done! Please Read!!!

    What is the use of friendly fire? Realism? Ha, I seriously hope thats not the answer. If this game was based of realism then one shot with a pistol would kill an enemy. I realize that there is fine line between realism and fun of gameplay. But ff real has no use in the game as far as I can tell, maybe just that fact that you cant throw a nade right in the middle of a couple enemies and a teamate thats trying to take the other two out. But other then something like that I really cant see an advantage to ff.

    Now im sure most of you seasoned players out there know how rediculous the tk punishing can get. From teamates walking over mines and claymores, to ppl running infront of your jet. It just seriously ****'s me off that when I finally find a server worth playing in I know I wont be there long. Because sooner or later the server automaticly boots your arse for tk's. Now this is just rediculous to me. I mean im human, im not perfect I do make mistakes. I do kill teammates from time to time. Everyone does.

    So I have sorta 2 ideas how we can improve the game play. First. Redisign the tk system. Instead of booting a player for the total amount of tks during your time on that server. It should be something like if you kill more then 2 or 3 teamates in a 5 minute period you should be booted. Because quite frankly you can tell that player is just ruining everyone else's time. As for bombing from planes and acidently taking out 3 teamates right there, I dont really have an answer for that one lol. But anways I think that would help a lot.
    Secondly I really really think that friendly fire damage needs to be severly reduced. For example in counter strike the damage you do to enemies is not even close to the damage done to teamates. Its takes like 3x the amount of shots to kill a teamate then it does to kill an enemy. So right there that would solve a lot of problems. Like people shooting you in the head with a sniper rifle to steal your jet or chopper. This is a great game. Ive been waiting for a modern day warfare game of this caliber for a long time. I just hate to see little things like bad teamates ruin the gameplay for everyone.

    Im not even going to think about the expansion pack until something is done.
    Your thoughts?
  • Folgrin

    #2
    Re: Whats the use of Friendly Fire? Something needs to be done! Please Read!!!

    Well just looking over some simular posts. Things like arty I guess should still be able to kill teamates but I like now that there is not an option to punish the commander. Maybe that could also be applied to mines and claymores. However that could also be abused. Hmmm this a little more complex then I organily thought lol. :p

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    • KruC|fiX

      #3
      Re: Whats the use of Friendly Fire? Something needs to be done! Please Read!!!

      to your first question: What is the use of friendly fire? Realism? i think the answer was to make you be more careful of what your doing, as this is a team game.. however, like you said, there ARE some dickheads out there that step in front of jets on purpose and kill you so they can jump in the chopper.. it is annoying and i cant think of anything to do about it other than turn FF off.. or find the teamkiller and play the 'revenge game' :P

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      • CtrlAltDe1337
        Member
        • Feb 2007
        • 1431

        #4
        Re: Whats the use of Friendly Fire? Something needs to be done! Please Read!!!

        They should make it 3 tks in 1 round and your out, not a handful for several rounds, its easy to tk someone once every few rounds

        They should do mines/claymores like arty, you can be punished but you don't lose points. Its not like mines/clays are indistructible......

        and TK should count as -2 not -4. Killing an enemy counts as 2 points. reviving someone counts as 2 points. why is a tk -4?? And I like the Idea of reduced damage done to allies, maybe half so you won't accidently tk someone as easily.

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        • BigBadBob

          #5
          Re: Whats the use of Friendly Fire? Something needs to be done! Please Read!!!

          that's why i prefer servers that have TK punish turned off, as well as 3 punished tks and kicked. I've had very few tks (always accidental) forgiven. Many people as soon as they die, no matter which side killed them, seem to press Pg Dwn.

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          • WarGimp

            #6
            Re: Whats the use of Friendly Fire? Something needs to be done! Please Read!!!

            OMG.

            Are you seriously asking this question?

            Friendly Fire is about skill. It is part of the skill in BF2 to be able to identify the differance between friend and foe. It takes skill to be able to take out the badguys with carfully controlled fire, instead of noob-spraying everything that twitches.

            I get the occasional TK, but I've never been kicked for it. Just the other night, I TKed at least 4 people while going for my explosives badge. I still didn't get kicked, even though I would normally consiter that an unexceptable number of TKs.

            If you are getting kicked because of TKs, you need to look at what YOU are doing WRONG.

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            • DrunkenPirate
              Ascended
              • Mar 2005
              • 4210

              #7
              Re: Whats the use of Friendly Fire? Something needs to be done! Please Read!!!

              Originally posted by Wargimp
              It takes skill to be able to take out the badguys with carfully controlled fire, instead of noob-spraying everything that twitches.
              I laughed hard at that, great start to my morning. :laugh:

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              • WarGimp

                #8
                Re: Whats the use of Friendly Fire? Something needs to be done! Please Read!!!

                Yer welcome.
                'N good morning!
                Forgive the poorer than usual spelling. It's late here, but I still can't bloody sleep.

                BTW, yer also welcome for me biting back a much more scathing post. My first impulse was to make a lot of rather nasty remarks. Got a grip on it tho.

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                • rtgbs7k

                  #9
                  Re: Whats the use of Friendly Fire? Something needs to be done! Please Read!!!

                  I'm sure people can go to other servers and not care about hurting teammates... less skill required - less frustration for those who go there

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                  • HicRic

                    #10
                    Re: Whats the use of Friendly Fire? Something needs to be done! Please Read!!!

                    Originally posted by Folgrin
                    If this game was based of realism then one shot with a pistol would kill an enemy.
                    I'm not talking from experience here (having never been shot ) but I imagine plently of people survive being shot once by a pistol in real life.

                    As for FF, turning it off does stop TKs, but Wargimp addressed the issue that pops up then.

                    It'd be nice if you could filter servers properly, and then it'd be nicer if there was a FF filter. Then you could go and find a server with FF off to play on. :)

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                    • Tactical_Marksman

                      #11
                      Re: Whats the use of Friendly Fire? Something needs to be done! Please Read!!!

                      People who hate Friendly Fire frighten me. :hmm:

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                      • cyborg_ninja-117

                        #12
                        Re: Whats the use of Friendly Fire? Something needs to be done! Please Read!!!

                        if FF was turned off... there will be flying buggies everywhere, but FF makes u think b4 u shoot doesnt it?

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                        • evilzucchini

                          #13
                          Re: Whats the use of Friendly Fire? Something needs to be done! Please Read!!!

                          I don't join servers with FF turned off. How ridiculously lame.

                          Furthermore, I have been playing this game for almost 200 hours and I have been kicked for TKing ONE TIME. ONE TIME, that's it and it was because, stupidly, I dropped an arty too close to a base people were capping and an entire squad spawned on the SL and I killed all of them. . . insta-ban. Before the patch, of course.

                          So, if you are getting kicked for TKs a lot, I would have to argue that you, not the game, is the problem.

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                          • Tenshi

                            #14
                            Re: Whats the use of Friendly Fire? Something needs to be done! Please Read!!!

                            People are polar about realism, the logic that certain aspects of the game are unrealistic therefor FF shouldnt be there is just backward..


                            ...if pistols dont kill in one shot why have friendly fire?? in that case why have gravity?? why dont we give everyone the ability to bend time????

                            stupid

                            there is no such thing as absolute reality in ANY game, there is always a line where the realism of the game falls appart...where you draw that line depends on lots of things - mainly (hopefully) ballance.

                            I challange anyone here to find a game thats totally realistic.

                            You cant - it wouldnt be a game.

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                            • imported_Carwash

                              #15
                              Re: Whats the use of Friendly Fire? Something needs to be done! Please Read!!!

                              realism
                              make the game harder ... which in turn "SHOULD" make the level of skill higher, because people are forced to try to learn the difference between team mates and the enemy and when to shoot and when not to shoot. Obviously doesnt always happen in practice.


                              Punishing was a good idea in theory, but its just open to abuse and people in general arent nice and forgiving. It should be removed and replaced with just the normal -1 pt/ team point/ kill/ whatever like every other FPS ever created.

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