AMD 64 build...for gaming...

[Snypynfool]

A friend wants to get some ideas for building a new pc for gaming...

wants the following....
AMD 64 (need idea on Mobo and Chipset)
PCI-E (2 slots)
DDR (4 slots)
Excellent GFX card (PCI-E)


What are your thoughts? post links if you have them...

Thanks

[SnY_pEr]

Re: AMD 64 build...for gaming...

MOBO

DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 Ultra-D Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 Ultra ATX AMD Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813136152

GFX card...

eVGA 256-P2-N525-AX Geforce 7800GTX 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 VIVO PCI Express x16 Video Card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130248

AMD 64 3500+.... or anything above...

[imported_bigpappa]

Re: AMD 64 build...for gaming...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103539

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813136158

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130256

i have an AMD 3500 and i am not overly impressed, it doesnt seem any faster than my intel 2.4. so i guess its your choice.

[Snypynfool]

Re: AMD 64 build...for gaming...

ty for the quick reply...

[imported_bigpappa]

Re: AMD 64 build...for gaming...

we both picked DFI and EVGA, we are definitely the smartest people on this forum.:)

[SnY_pEr]

Re: AMD 64 build...for gaming...

hahahaha i dont think so!................................... well maybe

[Flanker]

Re: AMD 64 build...for gaming...

I have an AMD 3500 and i am not overly impressed, it doesnt seem any faster than my intel 2.4. so i guess its your choice.

The 3500+ most likely destroys your old 2.4Ghz Pentium 4.

The flat-out reliable program used to test the basic speed of a PC is SuperPi. Download it, and see how long it takes to run the 1M test. Then compare the time with your old 2.4Ghz Pentium 4.

One reason it might feel slow is because you probably have Cool'n'Quiet enabled. Disable it through your BIOS. Cool'n'Quiet reduces your CPU's clock speed to like 1GHz when you're not doing anything intensive with it. So most likely its because that your PCs running at 1GHz that it feels slower than the P4.

[NoSoup4You]

Re: AMD 64 build...for gaming...

3700+ = OC'ing machine. Some people report almost 3.0Ghz on air cooling.

[imported_bigpappa]

Re: AMD 64 build...for gaming...

The 3500+ most likely destroys your old 2.4Ghz Pentium 4.

The flat-out reliable program used to test the basic speed of a PC is SuperPi. Download it, and see how long it takes to run the 1M test. Then compare the time with your old 2.4Ghz Pentium 4.

One reason it might feel slow is because you probably have Cool'n'Quiet enabled. Disable it through your BIOS. Cool'n'Quiet reduces your CPU's clock speed to like 1GHz when you're not doing anything intensive with it. So most likely its because that your PCs running at 1GHz that it feels slower than the P4.

cool dude, i will try that when i get home..

[CaptainPuffy]

Re: AMD 64 build...for gaming...

Now how would an AMD 2.8 ghz stand up against an Intel 3.8 ghz chip? Would the advantages that AMD has over Intel equal or be greater then a 1.0 ghz difference between the 2 chips?

[Flanker]

Re: AMD 64 build...for gaming...

Haha. The FX-57 (the 2.8GHz you speak of) would totally destroy a the 3.8Ghz Pentium 4. Ok, look here; AMD Athlon 64s do much more "per clock cycle." That means that for ever 1MHz, an Athlon 64 will do a lot more than a Pentium 4. So; an AMD Athlon 64 3200+ processor at stock speeds will roughly equal the performance of a 3.2GHz Pentium 4 (Athlon 64 3200+ = 3.2GHz Pentium 4, Athlon 64 3700+ = 3.7GHz Pentium 4). I have no exact measurements, but I would guess that a AMD Athlon 64 FX-57 would equal the performance of a theoretical 4.6GHz Pentium 4 (educated guess).

But the more important thing; overclocking. My AMD Athlon 64 3200+ (~$150) overclocked at 2.7GHz equals the performance of a 4.2Ghz Pentium 4. Intel doesn't even have a 4.2Ghz Pentium 4...and thats from something that costs $150. You COULD buy the 3.8GHz Pentium 4 and overclock it, but that processors runs so damn hot anyways that overclockint it wouldn't make sense unless you had ATLEAST watercooling. The processor alone would set you back about $600 and the watercooling another $200.

Did I mentium I got my overclock on stock cooling that came with the processor?

[Snypynfool]

Re: AMD 64 build...for gaming...

How about the following package?
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1600012&CatId=1683

$1,359.99


Thermaltake Silver Armor Aluminum Full-Tower AXT Case
Asus A8N SLI Premium NVIDIA Socket 939 ATX Motherboard
Windows®-Compatible 64-bit Dual-Core PC Processor with Fan!
Processor Speed: 64 X2 3800+ / 2.0GHz
- Processor Interface: Socket 939
- Bus Speed: 2000MHz
3DFuzion GeForce 7800 GT 256MB PCIe Video Card
Maxtor DiamondMax 10 300GB 7200RPM EIDE Hard Drive
Ultra X-Finity 500-Watt SATA/SLi Ready Power Supply
Corsair TWINX 1024MB PC3200 Memory
- Memory Size: 2 x 512MB
- Memory Speed: 400MHz PC3200
- Memory Type: Dual Channel DDR
-Cas lat of 2-3-3-6-T1
2 free games, Farcry and Bet on Soldier (makes the deal.... :laugh: )

[Flanker]

Re: AMD 64 build...for gaming...

Thats pretty nice for the price. Dual Core 3800+ (2.0Ghz) with 1GB RAM, a 7800GT and a Asus A8N SLI motherboard. Upgrade to 2GB and you'll max out BF2.

[Sir. MatDef]

Re: AMD 64 build...for gaming...

This one site conducted a test to see what the p4 clock speed had to be to beat a stock fx-57, they had to oc it to 5.4 GHz using liquid nitrogen cooling. So I think that your 3500+ prob will destroy that p4.

[CaptainPuffy]

Re: AMD 64 build...for gaming...

A little late on the reply, but thanks for the information guys, I'm glad I didn't waste any money on an Intel....

Now I obviously need a new MB to switch from Intel to AMD, now do AMD compatible motherboards require AMD compatible RAM? Or will Ram from an Intel Machine work in an AMD machine?

Now would you guys recomend going with builing a 64 bit comptuer and installing XPx64? Or just stay with the standard 32 bit, and use a dual core?