to whoever says that vehicles ruin the game i have a little reminder

[taco-man]

Re: to whoever says that vehicles ruin the game i have a little reminder

They are right to complain, vehicles in BF2 are much, much more powerfull then in bf1942, and besides the helicopters, battlefield vietnam as well. I didnt see anyone in BF1942/BF:V get a score in a PanzerIV/Sheridan of 100+. and in bf1942, only the best of the best could approuch such a score in a plane.

im sure this has been pointed out but i dont feel like reading the whole thread. in bf1942 you only got 1 point for a kill, and in bf2 you get 2 points, thats why its easy to get a score of over 100 in bf2. if you got 2 points every time you killed someone in bf1942 it wouldnt be hard to get 100 with a tank.

[BIFF EXPLODER]

Re: to whoever says that vehicles ruin the game i have a little reminder

Ok,first I need to make a couple of points:
1.Pointing out flaws in the game is not neccesarily "whining"or "being a noob smacktard",it can be constructive critisism!
2.People should stop trying to use the "in real ife...."arguement because as far as Im aware Battlefield 2 is not a simulation,BF is not meant to be realistic it is more of an arcade FPS(if this wasnt meant to be the case then they have some serious problems),and the damage taken/given by vehicles demonstrates this.

Battlefield 2 has always and should always have vehicle's,it is what makes this franchise stand out from other FPS's,anyone who says they should be removed from the game is definatley playing the wrong game without a shadow of a doubt but anyone who says that the aircraft are not overpowered is either living in denial or playing a different game to me!

I can fly aircraft but I have to give respect to some players out there who are becoming extremley adept at flying the beloved Apache's and other lovley flying death machines.Over the last few weeks I have noticed an increasing amount of pilots improving their skills and getting very good at what they do and these numbers are only going to increase.Now,this shouldn't neccesarliy be a bad thing but when infantry have nothing to combat this death from the skies it can become frustrating.Sure,we have the odd stinger site dotted about but these are ropey at the best of times and any decent pilot and co-pilot team will always know where the AA is situated when they are moving in on a flag/base and take it out within seconds along with any downtrodden infantry who couldnt quite flee the area in time.

I dont accept the "just use a .50 cal..."argument either,any self respecting pilot will destroy your jeep or whatever land based contraption you have been foolish enough to clamber onto within seconds.

Tanks are very powerful and very effective BUT we can escape them or even try to take them out with AT,mines,C4,TOW'S ,we are literally spoilt for choice!BF:Vietnam had portable stingers and (dare I say it?)so did Joint Ops!Why cant the Anti tank class have the option of selecting a Stinger instead?They could even make it an unlock and make people work for it a little.

No player here who plays on decent servers can honestly say that the aircraft are not overpowered ; I know how powerful aircraft are in real life and what effect they would have on a battle but going back to the point I made at the beginning this isnt meant to be real,its meant to be fun and there has to be a balance for gameplay sake.

All the people that are shouting that "the whiners should leave and play something else" should perhaps listen to what is being said and accept that,just maybe a few changes will improve the game.Personally I have become bored of constantly being blasted by Helis and planes,without having a means to fight back.Apart from that aspect i do actually enjoy the game but will restrict my gaming to custom maps where the creaters have recognised the major imbalances and addressed it by either reducing the number of aircraft or providing an abundance of AA.I suspect that many other gamers will not be so patient and will indeed leave in their droves which surely cannot be a good thing.lol,I can hear it now,"good riddance to the whiners,all they do is moan,and demand nerfs....."-I just want balanced gameplay,I dont want CS:S,DOD,COD,or some MS flight sim,I want it all in 1 game and BF is the one, that at the moment is doing that the best ,it just needs some tweaking.

Oh,one other thing ,I think the changes in the recent patch which allow mines to be "shot"away is pretty poor and makes the engineers ability to disarm them redundant,does Dice hate engineers or something?:laugh:

GL+HF

no dude, i didn start this thread because of ppl saying its not balanced or something like that, i think there are a few things wrong myself :) , i started it because i've started to see more and more and more and more ppl sayin to take away certain kinds of vehicles because they dont like to bo killed by them, i dont think its bad to say bad things about vehicles, sometimes it may help fix some problems, the thing i'm against, is ppl saying to just take them off and what worries me is there is so much ppl saying it that if this continues it could have a bad impact on the way Dice makes the game and the patches u know?

oh and playing allmost only as an engineer, i think aswell there is something against engineers in this game :cry:

[imported_The 13th Raptor]

Re: to whoever says that vehicles ruin the game i have a little reminder

im sure this has been pointed out but i dont feel like reading the whole thread. in bf1942 you only got 1 point for a kill, and in bf2 you get 2 points, thats why its easy to get a score of over 100 in bf2. if you got 2 points every time you killed someone in bf1942 it wouldnt be hard to get 100 with a tank.

Im aware of that, but i look at the relative score amongst players.

[HABO3]

Re: to whoever says that vehicles ruin the game i have a little reminder

Really though I'm wondering what the hell DICEs concept was for some of these maps, I understand that some are just straight up vehicle oriented but some maps give an infantryman on foot or in a jeep a 0% chance of survival. Why did they make all these maps that have very very limited routes that you can take between flags? I'm burned out on Strike at Karkand so yesterday I thought I would make it my sole mission to jump in a buggy & inflitrate enemy bases, killing as many people as I could with my LMG before I died, no flag capping or anything just killing infantry...the first map I tried it on was Daqing and it was pretty intense I was actually getting butterflies at some points as I played cat and mouse with these guys. First round I went 8-1 second round 10-3. BUTTTT then we went to FuShe Pass and there wasn't a ****ing chance in the world to get this same tactic going...try to take a road up to a chinese flag and you ran into an APC or something every time. The difference is that Daqing has a more open playing field and it was possible to sneak through the back of an enemy base and I notice that these maps like FuShe Pass really make things suck for infantry...

Dragon Valley
Kubra Dam
Songhua Stalemate
Dalian Plant
Fushe Pass

because on these maps you HAVE to use the roads to get anywhere so you got heavy tank and APC traffic always coming and between flags there's not nearly enough cover to hide from armor. I kept trying to get out of that big wharehouse flagpoint on Dalian Plant, there was never a vehicle to get ahold of because someone would snatch it the second it spawned so I kept trying to make it out to the middle of the map where all the industrial buildings are...it was stupid because there's so much open ground you have to trek across before you can make it to some cover an APC or a tank will come and serve your ass real quick. I'm not complaining or anything but I wish I could ask the people who designed those maps what exactly they had in mind when they built them because I'm really perplexed how this is supposed to give people who have different playing styles a chance to do some fighting when everybody on your team is hogging the vehicles and you don't feel like playing as anti-tank the whole round???

[-=SiN=-Broown]

Re: to whoever says that vehicles ruin the game i have a little reminder

We can bring RL into this and and you tell me how an air power has not dominated a war since the invention of the airplane...just suck it up and deal with it yeah it sucks but its not the end of the world....its part of the game and should be there...Im not even a jet pilot and I'm sticking up for them why, because it adds to the atmosphere of the game...face it you just cant stand getting blown up by a jet...and thats why you bitch...

Hey donkey. I have read some of your post before and have thought that you have had some relevant stuff to say and it has mostly be right on. This however is a wrong "assumption". Air superiority is just that.... "air" i would like to see a few examples when air has won a war... just one would be nice. I will save you some time, so you don't have to look. there isn't a single war where air assets changed the tide and won the war. I will even give you an in game example too, look at what happens to air assests when they engage each other. they spend their entire round trying to kill each other and forget all about The ground battle. While the troops and Armour move in and take spawn points. Air assets are a tool or a weapon. they are not a means to an end, and have never been. Don't take this as a personal attack but i had to say it.... :)

[SpeedyGonzales]

Re: to whoever says that vehicles ruin the game i have a little reminder

Hey donkey. I have read some of your post before and have thought that you have had some relevant stuff to say and it has mostly be right on. This however is a wrong "assumption". Air superiority is just that.... "air" i would like to see a few examples when air has won a war... just one would be nice. I will save you some time, so you don't have to look. there isn't a single war where air assets changed the tide and won the war. I will even give you an in game example too, look at what happens to air assests when they engage each other. they spend their entire round trying to kill each other and forget all about The ground battle. While the troops and Armour move in and take spawn points. Air assets are a tool or a weapon. they are not a means to an end, and have never been. Don't take this as a personal attack but i had to say it.... :)

yeap.

most of what I see in-game is a bunch of jet kiddies chasing each other
around in circles.. and I'd estimate 3/4 of the chopper pilots are just
looking for easy kills rather than playing their real intended role as
support and recon-communication.

There are some good chopper pilots out there, and I dont whine 1 time
when I go up against one who is doing their job..even if he kills me
5 times in a row.. but mostly what you have is a bunch of pilots
who rarely help their team, roam around looking for a dogfight with
another chopper..

sad aspect of the game.. especially when the Anti Air components of the
game are extremely weak.. heres proof in my eyes; It has been posted
in this forum in another thread by the majority of people who replied that
they rather use their SRAWs against choppers than AA emplacements.
Thats sad.

[mrcumquat87]

Re: to whoever says that vehicles ruin the game i have a little reminder

the vehicles are alright i think to a certain point where it becomes annoying like in karkand and the tanks come right up to bases where the american team spawns its so rediculous because then we cant get anywhere and tis just ****ing but if they are used properly and not in a unfiar manner they are alrright

[PermenentMarker]

Re: to whoever says that vehicles ruin the game i have a little reminder

Reply to thread creator

I am a Counter-Strike 1.6 player due to loving my clan.

BUT I LOVE BATTLEFIELD and every single time I see a thread saying
Air power killing the game
Tanks killing the game
artilery killing the game
Helo killing the game

STFU DAMNIT Battlefield is all about vehicles whatever they are.

CS is good... its actually fantastic and one of the best, I play more cs then battlefield(actually changing)

BUT YOU WILL NOT SEE ME COMPLAIN ABOUT VEHICLES OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE...

I will complain about not having a favorit server section or having to connect to a teamspeak server in order to talk (lazy) but I do not complain about what makes battlefield battlefield

[PsYcHo.KiLLa]

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Battlefield comunity is ruined since BF2 came out... Great game but too many new ppl to the game that came from games with no vehicles,

lets make this clear, everyone says stuff about "take tanks and apc's away because of whores" "take planes away beacuse of whores" "take helis away because of whores".... this stuff is really getting stupid... dont u ppl remember what game you are playing? i'll give u a hint (its not counter strike).

if dice made all the changes to the game that alot of ppl wanted this is what we would get:

-Only city maps
-no vehicles
-only playing in team and no lone wolves wich do alot of great work in my oppinion(friggin hell bf1942 had no squads and i saw alot better teamwork there than in bf2)

now with these features what game would u get? i'll give u a hint (its counter strike)

so ppl instead of saying stupid things against vehicles, why dont you just leave BF2 for once and go play something else that suits you better huh?

i'm not much of a vehicle player but i also wasnt in bf1942 and vietnam aswell, but i like to use them sometimes and they give an amazing feeling to the game, i just think alot of ppl in the currently playing bf2 are in the wrong game.

I Love You

[PsYcHo.KiLLa]

Re: to whoever says that vehicles ruin the game i have a little reminder

The only thing I would like changed in bf2 is the aa but that's a different thread. Also, even if they never changed the aa i would still play this game as it is so far the best fps war game out. (my opinion please don't flame me I respect your opinions as well)

[Xiver]

Re: to whoever says that vehicles ruin the game i have a little reminder

If you don't like getting bombed by aircraft take the airbase or learn to fly. Better yet go play CS or some MOD without aircraft. A good pilot will keep the Helicopters, tanks, and APC's on their toes. The only time that aircraft bother infantry is when they are all globed together standing on top of a flag. Basically the same time that artillery usually drops in.

[Donkey]

Re: to whoever says that vehicles ruin the game i have a little reminder

Hey donkey. I have read some of your post before and have thought that you have had some relevant stuff to say and it has mostly be right on. This however is a wrong "assumption". Air superiority is just that.... "air" i would like to see a few examples when air has won a war... just one would be nice. I will save you some time, so you don't have to look. there isn't a single war where air assets changed the tide and won the war. I will even give you an in game example too, look at what happens to air assests when they engage each other. they spend their entire round trying to kill each other and forget all about The ground battle. While the troops and Armour move in and take spawn points. Air assets are a tool or a weapon. they are not a means to an end, and have never been. Don't take this as a personal attack but i had to say it.... :)

I said dominated not WON....

But have you also noticed in game that once the enemy takes the others Air Base it drastically turns the tide of war....This is all part of the atmosphere of the game and makes BF2 the way it is...

To those that talk about the scoring...um BF42 you didn’t get much points in BF2 they give you points for everything....I mean hell if they had latrine duty in the game I’m sure you would get points for it


BTW, no offense taken...I think you actually complimented me or something

[PsYcHo.KiLLa]

Re: to whoever says that vehicles ruin the game i have a little reminder

true xiver, true

[N2K]

Re: to whoever says that vehicles ruin the game i have a little reminder

i usto play Armor Fist alot, an all out tank war, so tanks are fun, especialy to blow up with c4s

[Wilkystyle]

Re: to whoever says that vehicles ruin the game i have a little reminder

Man... Battlefield was a GREAT flight simulator, till they started adding infantry, vehicles, helicopters, flags, and artillery.

I say take everything out but the planes.