You can not play this game as infantry and achieve anything

[kcirtap1]

Re: You can not play this game as infantry and achieve anything

@ Flare

Very interesting,
I played almost every single FPS game since Wolfenstein on my 486sx2.
I really dont have all this trouble what you have in destroying vehicles,
but i have a remark about snipers:
A sniper is useless in capping a flag.
Most snipers who think they are ueber suck so hard its not funny.
Not beeing able to hide so easy might just be a design idea of keeping camping to a minimum.
(Or maybe you just dont know what to look for)

So i guess you belong to those snipers i see on the end of a round when no friendly spawn points are up. Camping and sniping while you are the last one left alive on the team?

[xp3200]

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If there is so many good sniping spots explain to me why the majority of snipers get 1) knifed (their own stupidity for not paying attention or settting good defense) u already answerd that one your self..

2) shot at long range by a non-sniper weapon (L85 and G36C prime culprits)? trust me there are a lot of sneaky spots out there where u can get a good view and not get seen ur self [no not on karkand] and when u say a good commander whill spot u ..thats why we have spec-ops to take out the radar

I do agree with the mines they are way to easy to spot.
there are some points in your post i agree with
Dondt get me wrong im not saying that the game doesnt need tweaking but u make it sound like its one of the worst games out there..and that just wrong
I am having loads of fun playing this game and u should to if u dondt then thats just to bad

[xp3200]

Re: You can not play this game as infantry and achieve anything

So i guess you belong to those snipers i see on the end of a round when no friendly spawn points are up. Camping and sniping while you are the last one left alive on the team?

Nah that wouldnt be me..like i said i usualy play spec-ops.
I love destroing commander assets and now we are even getting points for it like we should.

[kcirtap1]

Re: You can not play this game as infantry and achieve anything

@ XP 3200
didn't ment you.

[xp3200]

Re: You can not play this game as infantry and achieve anything

err..sorry about that.
I havent slept in the last 36hrs and my brain is not working like it should right now.

[j4k3]

Re: You can not play this game as infantry and achieve anything

the only true maps for infantry is karkand. mashtuur can still be ruined by the bh's powerful mgs and sharqi by the attack choppers. karkand is the only map where there is no air power.

there is no point in playing, say, zatar wetlands on foot. either be in a tank/apc or jet. same with ALL of the maps 'cept karkand...

[Krypp596]

Re: You can not play this game as infantry and achieve anything

karkand is a paradise for statpadders...
I LOVE IT!!!

[TooL]

Re: You can not play this game as infantry and achieve anything

Sounds like someone had a bad round..... :evil:

[Krypp596]

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and likes to wine about it...

[sleepyduncan]

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Anyone geting the fealing that heartless is one of those players who plays the poo out of BF2 and still moans and bitches about it.

[Yezo]

Re: You can not play this game as infantry and achieve anything

ITs people like the threadstarter who get everything nerfed. Oh noes! Next thing you know a tank is made of paper!

Get over it. You died you died. Learn from it.

[Real_2St0n3d]

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I remember one DC patch that made tanks that vulnerable.. they sat unused on their spawns and everybody would go out on foot and fight.. stepping into any armoured vehicle was just an invitation for quick death.. even on maps with tanks for everybody. the next hotpatch saw a fix to this situation luckily.

I am footsoldier a lot of the time. I get things done most of the time. You just need to learn the pattern to the armoured vehicles so you can avoid it and flank it. And if you die.. heck, it IS a TANK, it's supposed to be tough, if you can, respawn and finish it off..

go take your flowers and your hanky and go cry somewhere else, will you?

[Seal]

Re: You can not play this game as infantry and achieve anything

The admins should make an own category called, Whiners....

[Nameless]

Re: You can not play this game as infantry and achieve anything

1. The maps are horrible. There is literally no room to hide from tanks, apcs, aircraft, etc.

There are plenty of places to hide if you’re not a dumbass I evade detection by tanks all the time the view on them sucks and I see them C4ed and Discus mined without even getting to shot back constantly. The problem is that some people don’t seem to comprehend hiding and will shot at tanks or chuck nades at them.

Also you should just be glad that what cover we have is made of unobtnatium or reinforced with force fields. Really even if you took cover in a two story house a tank could level it with a single shell in real life... and That 50 cal up top would go through sandbags and brick walls like a Tiger through a T-bone steak.

2. AOE damage of most vehilces regular shots kills insanely fast. A BH or APC just has to "get close" and it gets a kill. So any ledge or corner you can hide behind just gets you killed.

So medium to large explosion kill mostly unarmored humans… shocking! You do know that those “regular shots” are ****ing cannon shells right? This is the gun mounted on the LAV-25 M424 notice what that round meant for anti-personnel use is called HEI as in HIGH EXPLOSIVE Incendiary ...

A nice vid that anyone bitching about BF:2 realism ought to watch http://www.compfused.com/directlink/451/ see those big ass explosions on that building about half way though? That’s cannon fire from a 25mm on an M2 Bradley frankly compared to that you’re getting off easy in game…

That vid also gives a nice image of an M1 tank round going off about 3/4th of the way through… again in game it’s a MASSIVELY smaller blast.

So basically cannon fire is deadly to infantry is it too much to ask that you whining bitches accept even THAT?! As it is the vehicle weapons in game have been HUGELY nerfed to begin with.

As for the Blackhawk… Its gun is firing about 3 to 4,000 7.62mm rounds a minute.

Minigun vs. Car

This is what a minigun like the one on a BH dose to a ****ing car. I don’t even want to THINK what it would do if you turned it on a person or group of them…

3. It takes 2 c4 to do in a tank... but an AT rocket (designed to KILL TANKS) takes 4-5 from the front of the tank 3-4 from the rear... and some magic 2 shot kills in the treads.

Be glad your AT rocket dose ANYTHING to the front… frankly the modern armor on the front of an MBT is pretty much immune to Infantry AT weapons the T-90 has reactive armor which makes it even worse.

Also infantry AT rockets are NOT that deadly even penetrating hits often fail to knock out or even seriously damage a well made modern MBT since at best they tend to poke small pinholes in the tank. It’s actually fairly rare that a small caliber hit like an infantry AT rocket outright destroys a tank… It’s similar in many ways to older warships hits did damage, but a 1 hit knockout on a armored ship was quite rare.

Most tanks hit by such weapons are put back into service quite quickly in any case if they are damaged at all anyway.

The treads are in fact perhaps the best thing to aim at on a big modern tank with anything smaller then a TOW they are weak and damage to them seriously hinders a tanks ability to fight.

And make no mistake we ARE using small weapons in BF:2 the SWAR had an estimated penetration of something like 600-700mm RHA an Abrams has frontal armor twice that thick in places and none of it is under that thickness. There is a reason modern missile are resorting to top attack and it’s simple: They can’t get through the front anymore…

As for C4… pff cry me a ****ing river IMO C4 shouldn’t even damage a tank. With just a lump of undirected explosives you’re looking at something the size of a big artillery shell (probably 20 pounds of HE) in contact with the tank to even phase a tank. The dinky little half to 1 pound brick of C4 the Spec ops is packing placed anywhere beside shoved into the road wheels is probably just going to tickle the tank and maybe shake lose the crews fillings.

So the C4 is already absurdly overpowered and I again say quit you bithcing whiner.

4. Sniper rifles blow. M-95... shot to the chest or head = dead. Try to remain a little on the sensible side here. The new FOTM weapon, the G36c, is more accurate than a sniper rifle at long range. We can't see far enough in this game to even remotely believe there should be bullet drop off. I can't tell you how many times I've hit someone with the M-95 at a good distance and have them turn around and shoot me with 2-3 shots from an AK G36C or etc pop cap gun.

Now you’re just talking out your ass.

Look at the ****ing code instead of jerking off about how so and so is “more accurate then a sniper rifle” the Sniper Rifles are EASILY the most accurate guns in the game when used properly.

When was the last time you killed a man at 350 meters with a G36?

I’ve done that numerous times with an M24 on Fushe pass and I can manage it at around 250 or so with the M95.

Frankly if he’s firing back and killing with a G36 you’re probably entirely to close to him… I routinely snipe down guys that try to fire back at me with AR in fact I LIKE IT WHEN THEY DO. They invariably go prone to do it and make themselves a huge ass low health targets what ****es me off is when the guy DOSEN’T shot and instead runs for cover…

Also ALL sniper guns DO kill with headshots and these are possible I get them quite bit (admittedly only fairly stationary targets, but you’d be surprised how common those are in a fire fight…)

You can look at my stats I have more time with the rifle then any other infantry weapon by far and a kill to death ratio of nearly 2 to 1. I’ve looked at yours I’ve played a total of maybe 10 minutes more then you with the sniper rifle, but have 50% more kills. Frankly I’m inclined to say the issue here is that you suck with the sniper rifle…

Maybe you’re to busy whoring it up with the M203 to learn to aim… yeah I noticed that you have about twice as many nade kills as rifle kills.

5. Vehicles get the same points an infantry does... but its a hell of a lot easier for a tank to kill a solo infantry. Reduce vehicle kill points to 1 vs infantry. 0 if its within 3 seconds of spawn.

Bite me when I'm in a tank I instantly become a target for every chump with C4, Mines, rockets, jets, helicopters, TOWs, enemy tanks and APC, etc.

I earn my points in a tank and it takes real skill and a brain to use one to max advantage. Further half the time I don't even make top 3 when I use a tank nearly the entire round those spots are resvered for the whoring medics, jet pilots, and choppers jocks.

I say again quit you're bitching Whiner.

[xp3200]

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wow.. that's some awesome footage.