New v1.03 info

[Bravo Six]

Re: New v1.03 info

Blackhawk mini-guns toned down

Bad medicine friends, looking at DICE's track record for re-balancing a game this doesn't bode well at all. Nerfing one side or the other is always a bad idea IMO, I would have rather seen them beef up the 50s on the PLA and MEC transport helos rather then tone down the miniguns. Call me a pessimist but I can forsee the miniguns being nigh useless post-patch if they are indeed trying to "tone them down". Last time they toned something down in a BF game was in Vietnam, after that the jeeps ended up with a practically useless heat seeking rocket that took forever to reload and the Hueys ended up with the world's slowest firing rocket pod (yet real rocket pods can fire a whole volley in a couple seconds).

With this in mind I can see DICE giving the Blackhawk a rotatary barreled BB gun just satisfy the whiners who complain about Blackhawk whoring in Mashtuur (while us real players know that they aren't invincible).

[BRUTALITEEEEEEEEE]

Re: New v1.03 info

Blackhawk mini-guns toned down

Bad medicine friends, looking at DICE's track record for re-balancing a game this doesn't bode well at all. Nerfing one side or the other is always a bad idea IMO, I would have rather seen them beef up the 50s on the PLA and MEC transport helos rather then tone down the miniguns. Call me a pessimist but I can forsee the miniguns being nigh useless post-patch if they are indeed trying to "tone them down". Last time they toned something down in a BF game was in Vietnam, after that the jeeps ended up with a practically useless heat seeking rocket that took forever to reload and the Hueys ended up with the world's slowest firing rocket pod (yet real rocket pods can fire a whole volley in a couple seconds).

With this in mind I can see DICE giving the Blackhawk a rotatary barreled BB gun just satisfy the whiners who complain about Blackhawk whoring in Mashtuur (while us real players know that they aren't invincible).

Well said :) either way...not being able to repair the chopper in the air should make worlds of difference.

[FM_Echo_One]

Re: New v1.03 info

I think the main point is you can't repair a BH in the air anymore.

[Bravo Six]

Re: New v1.03 info

Oh yeah Im all for the not being able to repair a chopper mid-flight, doesnt make sense to be able to. Then again do we really wanna deprive the engys of something else? Back on topic, as for that not being able to repair chopper mid-flight anymore that better apply to all transport helos and not just the blackhawk, otherwise that's really not balanced at all.

In my opinion the worst thing to do when evaluating the balance of a game is not listen to the people complaining. Because 9 times out of 10 they are just complaining because their chosen team/class is not the uber class of the game or doesn't make them one man armies. From what I can tell the whole Blackhawk debacle is started by those people, really the Blackhawk isn't much better then the other transport helos. So the thing to do would be to improve the other one's armaments to be inline with the BH (ie make the MEC/China Helo's 50s do more damage). When you rebalance a game based on complaints you usually just end up swapping the percieved crappy team/vehicle.

If they carry on with the BH nerf like I assume they will, post patch they will just see people complaining that the Blackhawk is no good anymore. And the cycle will continue.

In my opinion BF2 was very well balanced from day one, with a few exceptions in the infantry domain(no points for destroying commander assets, crappy shotgun range, nigh useless MEC/PLA sniper weapons). Vehicle wise however the game was extremely well balanced, and in no need of rebalancing with the exception of beefing up MEC/PLA transport helo weapons (which really wasnt a game breaker anyways).

Granted all that being said, this info isnt coming from an official so I'll just take it at face value and wait and see. I just hope DICE has learned from their past.

[FM_Echo_One]

Re: New v1.03 info

Oh yeah Im all for the not being able to repair a chopper mid-flight, doesnt make sense to be able to. Then again do we really wanna deprive the engys of something else? Back on topic, as for that not being able to repair chopper mid-flight anymore that better apply to all transport helos and not just the blackhawk, otherwise that's really not balanced at all.

Probably goes for all transport helos.

Regarding the ENGs, the only time I use that kit is if I'm going to tank whore FTW. Repairing for points sucks, but you make up for it with all the easy kills in the tank/LAV.

[Drevor]

Re: New v1.03 info

There a real chance exists that above two features will not sit in the new patch! They will come then in one of the continuation patches.

... I knew it ...

nerfing support classes .. bright idea ... noob tubes can be reloaded/filled ... medipacks not

[Sniper_13]

Re: New v1.03 info

well thats good to hear, and hopefully it is in the begining of october

[DeathGiver]

Re: New v1.03 info

October huh? ****. Im going to have to buy Rome Total War then and when the patch is out download it.

[Talus]

Re: New v1.03 info

Call me a pessimist but I can forsee the miniguns being nigh useless post-patch if they are indeed trying to "tone them down".

You mean as useless as the guns on the MEC/Chinese choppers?

[Bravo Six]

Re: New v1.03 info

... I knew it ...

nerfing support classes .. bright idea ... noob tubes can be reloaded/filled ... medipacks not

That's assuming your interpreting the info right (horrid translation), but if you are (and I pray you arent) and the med/ammo packs no longer recharge then that will be a pointless nerf to support classes that really isnt needed.

[Selecter]

Re: New v1.03 info

EA! PLEASE fix the mine laying problem! Either make it so when a mine is run over you cant punish and counts as a suicide, or remove tk's for friendly's.

The ENG class has his best weapon nerfed by team mates that cant go around the mines or out the back door I left for them. If a eng cant lay mines he cant do much.

[Bravo Six]

Re: New v1.03 info

You mean as useless as the guns on the MEC/Chinese choppers?

Those guns are hardly useless friend, not as effective as the miniguns sure. But not useless, I've gotten a fair amount of kills with said weapons. The worst part I see about gunning in one of those helos is that you are left practically uncovered unlike the BH gunners.

[Talus]

Re: New v1.03 info

Those guns are hardly useless friend, not as effective as the miniguns sure. But not useless, I've gotten a fair amount of kills with said weapons. The worst part I see about gunning in one of those helos is that you are left practically uncovered unlike the BH gunners.

So if they make the miniguns on the Blackhawk the same as the guns on the MEC/Chinese choppers, it'll be fine.

Agreed?

I wasn't calling the MEC/Chinese guns useless..I was making a point about your comment about the BH mini-guns being useless if nerfed. They'd be 'as useless' as the MEC/Chinese guns if they were nerfed to being like them. See?

[Thameth]

Re: New v1.03 info

So if they make the miniguns on the Blackhawk the same as the guns on the MEC/Chinese choppers, it'll be fine.

Agreed?

I wasn't calling the MEC/Chinese guns useless..I was making a point about your comment about the BH mini-guns being useless if nerfed. They'd be 'as useless' as the MEC/Chinese guns if they were nerfed to being like them. See?

That would be rediculous.. Then the mini-gun wouldn't be a mini-gun it would be a .50 cal that looks like a mini-gun. If you've ever seen video of how the MG works in real life you would see that DICE got it as close to right as possible.

[Talus]

Re: New v1.03 info

But the game needs BALANCE...not realism.

And I'm only speculating...remember . Worst case scenario would be that the mini-guns are nerfed to that extent. They will likely still be more powerful than the MEC and Chinese .50 cal guns.

I mean, if the game were realistic, we'd all take one shot to the leg and be down for the count and unable to move for the rest of the round. If we had a shell explode nearby, we'd have no audio for the rest of the round. An AT rocket would disable a tank with one hit to the treads. Small arms fire would take out a chopper. THAT would NOT be fun