shame for snipers

[Jaxx]

Well at least with new game add-on comming soon we will be able to get on other buildings etc. That will greately help in making it better to snipe and harder to get shot from behind.

[bam23]

Maybe an update to make the sniper harder to spot would be ok BUT DO NOT BY ANY MEANS make the sniper rifle stronger. When you have to run across the map because all the vehicles are taken, only to get shot and killed by a sniper without knowing where he killed you from, I would find myself losing a lot of hair.

If you want a stronger sniper rifle, unlock the M95. One shot takes the enemy down to such little health that you'll ALWAYS either get a kill assist or just a kill period.

[Thameth]

Now I know that you really dont get it. Ill explain it in plain english so you can understand. You didnt say through the heart, you just said center of the chest, but who cares. NO ONE SHOT KILLS WITH ANY RIFLES! PERIOD! I dont care about real life. I dont care about how well a .50 cal round can penetrate a helmet, a flak jacket, or your moms twat. Its NOT a 1 shot kill weapon for GAME BALANCE. You get it now? Do you understand how that would IMBALANCE THE GAME. Dont give me this "through the heart" BS, you didnt put that up in the post and theres no reason for 2 1 shot kill hit boxes (not to mention a instakill hit box thats center of mass, idiot). Make any rifle in the game kill in 1 shot with a center of mass hit and everyone would be a sniper. You wanna play DC, go play DC.

Wow, funny how morons go around calling other people morons.....

You truly have NO CLUE. The imbalance now is how weak the snipers are. Its amazing how many people on here don't understand that BF2 was born from DC and the developers of DC worked on BF2.

Trying to find good enough targets is difficult enough, then hitting them and not getting a kill while your target scurries off is frustrating.

Ohh btw (that means "By the way"), what the **** do you think center of the chest means??????? You think i meant people were hitting you in the liver???? :cry:

[imported_Soda]

I think the real shame for snipers is that their camos do not blend in with the maps they are on. They are so easy to find on maps where the ground is lighter than the sniper.

That's what I think too.

[ABD_Bangbus]

Wow, funny how morons go around calling other people morons.....

You truly have NO CLUE. The imbalance now is how weak the snipers are. Its amazing how many people on here don't understand that BF2 was born from DC and the developers of DC worked on BF2.

Trying to find good enough targets is difficult enough, then hitting them and not getting a kill while your target scurries off is frustrating.

Ohh btw (that means "By the way"), what the **** do you think center of the chest means??????? You think i meant people were hitting you in the liver???? :cry:

Stop trying to pull sh!t out of your ass, center of chest would mean CENTER OF MASS you putz. Like I said before, if you want to play DC...then go play DC, GTFO of here. This game is designed after DC, that doesnt mean they have to clone the damn thing and bring over stupid imbalances like the M82 over from DC. You fall into 1 of 2 catageories if you think the actual sniper weapons are weak in BF2.

1) You suck at sniping (most likely).

2) You dont snipe very often.

All the sniper weapons have an advantage over the others (M24's accuracy, M95's armored glass penetration, or the MEC/PLA faster follow up shot). They all require at least 2 shots to kill someone unless you hit them in the head, but you want to add a second instant kill area that everyone already aims for? How that got past the "bad idea" part of your thought process baffles me, then again now that I think back to your previous posts it doesnt baffle me at all....in fact I should expect it. Either way, im through responding to your idiocy. Have a nice day. :hi:

[Thameth]

Stop trying to pull sh!t out of your ass, center of chest would mean CENTER OF MASS you putz.

What???? Center of Chest means CENTER OF CHEST. And you have the balls to call other people idiots?????

Snipers hitting the same spot is different than an infantry hitting it with a machine gun.

Like i said, Snipers will usually be carrying much different ammo than your normal assault guy.

Great.... now I just wasted time on you again. :laugh: :laugh:

[ABD_Bangbus]

What???? Center of Chest means CENTER OF CHEST. And you have the balls to call other people idiots?????

Snipers hitting the same spot is different than an infantry hitting it with a machine gun.

Like i said, Snipers will usually be carrying much different ammo than your normal assault guy.

Great.... now I just wasted time on you again. :laugh: :laugh:

No, really the center of chest is the center of mass, not his heart. But thats semantics. What, you also want there to be a sniper only center of chest 1 shot kill hit box? You want EA to make a hit box for snipers only? Are you really that dense? The head hit box is no different for the sniper rifle then it is for the PKM/G36c/M16/whatever (only differences are the weapons damages). This is the best you could come up with?

"Snipers will usually be carrying much different ammo than your normal assault guy."

So what? This isnt a simulation, twatling. We are not going for realism here. We are going for game balance (im going to drill that into that thick skull of yours until you understand). I dont care if snipers carry match ammo IRL, this is a game, NOT REAL LIFE! Looks like I lied and responded anyway, but the only person here wasting time is me since you just dont get it.

[C11.Nemisis]

climbing trees would be a great ability for snipers to have

[kamenjar]

What if...
1) When someone is wounded 25% (of health) their runspeed is depleted at 4x the rate.
2) When someone is wounded over 50% they move at 3/4 of normal speed when standing and their run is depleted at 4x the rate.
3) When someone is wounded over 75% they can move at 1/2 the normal speed when standing and their run is unavailable and they can't jump.

I think this would make snipers useful because:
1) Gives snipers a chance to finish off a player to whom they have a clear shot on taking out.
2) Snipers are less affected by the hinderance since they are static most of the time.
That would give advantages to the sniper because they can help cripple the enemy. Regular infantry fights would not be that much affected because surviving a gunfight means you will get healed more easily. It also helps medics catch up tot he noob wounded player that is running away from them (god knows how many times i've been killed while trying to catch a wounded teammate) :)

It helps realism too. You got someone who is almost dead and they are raging all over the battlefield

[Thameth]

No, really the center of chest is the center of mass, not his heart. But thats semantics. What, you also want there to be a sniper only center of chest 1 shot kill hit box? You want EA to make a hit box for snipers only? Are you really that dense? The head hit box is no different for the sniper rifle then it is for the PKM/G36c/M16/whatever (only differences are the weapons damages). This is the best you could come up with?

"Snipers will usually be carrying much different ammo than your normal assault guy."

So what? This isnt a simulation, twatling. We are not going for realism here. We are going for game balance (im going to drill that into that thick skull of yours until you understand). I dont care if snipers carry match ammo IRL, this is a game, NOT REAL LIFE! Looks like I lied and responded anyway, but the only person here wasting time is me since you just dont get it.

Blah blah blah blah blah.... thats what your post looks like now....

[baggygreen]

ABD_Bangbus has a point when he says that its a game, not RL. And as such, things have had to be altered - ballistics, physics, the fact every man and his dog can fly a chopper, jump in a jet, travel round in tanks, etc.

At the same time, in my opinion center of chest means precisely that, not centre of mass. I think if he meant center of mass he would've said that.

I also see you're a sniper, how did you get your kill streak so high? and also, how did you manage 20 kills against the one bloke?

On topic, i think trees is a great idea, but not all trees, just some of them, like you can only enter some buildings, etc.

[ABD_Bangbus]

ABD_Bangbus has a point when he says that its a game, not RL. And as such, things have had to be altered - ballistics, physics, the fact every man and his dog can fly a chopper, jump in a jet, travel round in tanks, etc.

At the same time, in my opinion center of chest means precisely that, not centre of mass. I think if he meant center of mass he would've said that.

I also see you're a sniper, how did you get your kill streak so high? and also, how did you manage 20 kills against the one bloke?

On topic, i think trees is a great idea, but not all trees, just some of them, like you can only enter some buildings, etc.

And if he had meant the heart he would of said that as well. The center of mass on a human being is his chest, but as I said before its just semantics and the only possible arguement he can possible come up with. We were both wrong we were both right, it doesnt matter. What matters is people wanting snipers to do more damage, and if people cant see that as a bad thing then theres going to be a major imbalance issue. I dont think any of this is going to fly with EA (mabey some accuracy tweaks, but the current sniper rifles are fine.

40 kills is with a plane on daq oilfields SU30 whoring the US start, and thats not high....ive seen much higher from tank whores. As far as killing 1 person 20 times, if you mean my own clanmate Jester? yeah, I made him my ***** on a 16 player clan match.

[ABD_Bangbus]

I play sniper a lot sometimes and have to agree that currently that class in unbalanced. There is frankly no fear about snipers now. You cap a flag and just move a little and sniper is never able to kill you in instant shot. Also it is very very rear that sniper can hit running or even walking target unless it's coming somewhat towards. (Yeah. I know it's possible and I've managed few such shots myself but it's more luck/random than skill).

Well, its seems were at opposite ends of the spectrum then. I've had commanders drop arty on me and me alone because I was causing such a ruckus. I've had attack choppers come after me as well as jet fighters bomb me. If hes capping a flag and you cant hit him thats too bad but snipers are not supposed to be 1 man flag defenders. What if he rolls up in an APC, what were you going to do then? I have no problems hitting running targets. Yes, I miss....I have a 50% accuracy with the sniper rifle but I can and will kill running targets (running at me and away from and running across my field of vision). And the targeting isnt as random as you would think. Its less accurate for the MEC/PLA but they have a faster follow up shot. They arent going to add scope drift to the game and they arent going to turn it into the quake 2 rail gun so I think you had better learn to get used to missing once in awhile.

[shipp]

How is this any different than what snipers do in CTD games in Novalogic's Blackhawk Down game? Exactly. It's not. Adapt and overcome.

Gotta admit, I did sit in the middle of the desert killing people from 2Km in Blackhawk Down collecting the points with one shot kills although I do now prefer BF2. It's more challenging and also ensures that the sniper isn't overpowered which I think was a big problem in BHD.

My only gripe is the accuracy which seems to be totally random. But maybe that's just me...

Remember kids, it's only a game...

[G3_PT]

I think it´s all about balance , if snipers didn´t appear in scans/uav´s they would just "camp" for entire rounds un the same spot