Is the support weapon (SAW) worth upgrading?

[DinaDani]

No you are full of bs, the nade is only effective at medium range, you fire it off to close, you die simply as that. Plus is pretty hard to aim and you have to hit fairly close to kill a person. You're just someone who gets killeda lot by m203 but hasn't actually played assult that much, and doesn ot know how hard it is to aim with that thing.

It's not hard, the grenade launcher is anything but that. What's more, it's extremely versatile. Is an enemy close to the wall? Easy kill. Proning and lying still? Even more easy. Bunnyhoppers are too, where with every other you gun you have the disadvantage.

With some practise, you can lob grenades with fair enough accurisy at long distances too. No wonder it's the #1 infantry killer in publics and wars alike. And with the MEC, you can quickly (a bit less with china and the usmc) switch to the normal gun if your nade misses, providing yourselves with a good gun at almost any range.

[timothye]

Your absolutely right there. I can't stand people who use the 203 as a close up cannon its blatent cheating/exploting. If the 203 was coded properly it wouldn't go off at that range and if it did then the person fireing it would die too. Thats somthing i hope to see fixed in the next patch.

same here , lets see flopping fixed also
flopping = running to prone then running again after they kill .. very very stupid ..not very talented at all ..
your weapon should take about 2 seconds before coming into action b4 you can fire it when flopping .. then we shall see the end of this terrible unrealistic tactic , if you want to call it that ..

[JoeHova]

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Your absolutely right there. I can't stand people who use the 203 as a close up cannon its blatent cheating/exploting. If the 203 was coded properly it wouldn't go off at that range and if it did then the person fireing it would die too. Thats somthing i hope to see fixed in the next patch.

HA! That's so me. I use the 203 all the time. Close-up and medium range.

Call it what you want but if medics can get points with their paddles and bags, support with their resupply, Special forces with their C4, eng with their little wrenches, snipers with their range, etc. I think I should be able to use the 203 since that's the only tool I'm given.

I mean without it I might as well go medic right?

I don't find it cheating at all. I've gotten pretty good at using it but when I started with it was was getting slaughtered. Basically, If you miss you're dead 75% of the time. It's a weapon that takes practice really so if you own with it then keep owning.

I do think it's a weapon they'll adjust a bit though. Probably bigger splash with less damage.

[big_sammy_b]

well real 203's don't go off until they reach a certsin range and when they reach that range they still don't go off until they actually hit somthing.

If they want to make them go off point blank then the person firing should die as they would in real life.

BF2 really needs to look at games like AA for things like that.

[VISTREL]

I have another question, what is better to unlock PKM or G3 ? I play mainly assault but also support from time to time....absolutely loving SAW, and wouldn't use any alternative weapons for that but is PKM really that better ? Ive seen players killing with PKM from very good distances and Ive seen people using G3 just as effectively....

btw, Id never trade SVD for M95...sure I won't get any BHs killed but by the time you wait for BH I can get 5 ppl killed using SVD

[=HzC=Heinz]

depends upon what class you play the most. IMO, the G3 is not as good as an upgrade, as compared to each classes original main gun.

[imported_Champion]

i actually like the SAW better than my PKM. But when I'm on MEC or China I definitely use the PKM a lot. Hell, I even usually use it when I'm on US now.

[cgN-Grizz]

"No you are full of bs, the nade is only effective at medium range, you fire it off to close, you die simply as that. Plus is pretty hard to aim and you have to hit fairly close to kill a person. You're just someone who gets killeda lot by m203 but hasn't actually played assult that much, and doesn ot know how hard it is to aim with that thing. And by the time you get aim you can easly be killed by someone with the PKM in prone. Like you said suppport PKM owns, up close and in range you're just sad that people have an effective way of countering it and your turky shoot just got ended. Oh and I have the PKM unlocked so I have first hand experience in this " then youve never seen me play. the m203 insta-kill can go really far if you use it all the time. the worst is when someone fires it off at their feet and dont die

[big_sammy_b]

well no thats not true. Only last night i was killed a couple of times at point blank range by a 203 cheater. And they didn't die but i did.

[Roderick]

Just because some people find the weapon to be good dosnt mean its a good weapon. You often hear people say Support is good or M95 is good, and how they kill lots with it and such, but then you check their stat and you find they die twice for each kill they get with such weapon.
So its up to you, weather you want a FUN weapon or a GOOD weapon.

To each their own. No one is going to say you are wrong for your reasoning, but one thing I am starting to hate about this game are stat watchers. It is starting to affect the gameplay in terms of players not attacking at full force. I am starting to love attacking the first flag almost solo now due to it. Players hang back and wait for the enemy to come out. Why? Because they do not want a huge death toll on their stats.

Last night in Karkland for a round I had about 31 kills and about 22 deaths on a 32 player map. A lot of deaths for me, but I say it is due to me playing the game hardcore. I don't hang back and I bring the fight to the enemy with the Support kit and I take names doing it.

The Support kit and the guns are very good and deadly as long as you are not being exploited against as I have stated earlier. In CQC they own almost any weapon out there due to the rate of fire and being in prone with the reticle at its most stable position.

I honestly wish the death stats would be removed from the game. I think it has a psychological impact on the players in the game and makes the players play like a puzzy instead of fighting better.

[monkton]

well no thats not true. Only last night i was killed a couple of times at point blank range by a 203 cheater. And they didn't die but i did.

are you calling that person a cheater because he used the 203, or are you saying that he must have been cheating if he used it point blank and didn't die? i use the 203 almost exclusively now - it's a sweet and realistic weapon. if i use it point blank, i die. it often comes down to that - when i'm in close quarters and someone comes around the corner with his gun drawn i don't have time to switch guns, so i might as well fire a grenade and take us both out rather than just giving him a kill. usually i use it medium to long range, however.

grenade launchers exist - just because you get killed by one doesn't mean it's cheating or it's unfair. it's a weapon designed for a different tactic - live with it. look at stats of people who use the 203 - they usually won't have a ridiculous kill/death ratio - i sure don't, and i'm pretty skilled with it.

[I/O Error]

The PKM is worthless, other than the lethargic ROF, it is inaccurate, slow loading and noisey as hell. The (buzz)SAW is faster loading, faster shooting and even if you aren't hitting them, they sure the hell aren't thinking about sticking around to aim at you, usually they are runnig for cover. Unlock the G36C, L85A1 *if you haven't already* or the G3, the Barett is a big POS as well.

Definitely have to disagree about the SAW. It's incredibly inaccurate even when prone, and you simply will NOT hit targets that are at any distance at all. Hell, the muzzle flash even restricts your field of vision. I don't know abount anybody else, but I ALWAYS shoot back at SAW support guys; if I go prone they simply won't hit me at more than 100 feet. I'll bet my M16/AK/M4/almost anything against the SAW any day, and it pays off.

The PKM is another matter entirely. Accurate, powerful, it's a fantastic upgrade. I find that without it, US Support players are at a huge disadvantage.

I have another question, what is better to unlock PKM or G3 ? I play mainly assault but also support from time to time....absolutely loving SAW, and wouldn't use any alternative weapons for that but is PKM really that better ? Ive seen players killing with PKM from very good distances and Ive seen people using G3 just as effectively....

My problem with the G3 is that, although it's very powerful, it has the following drawbacks:

1) Small magazine, the weapon only holds 20 rounds.

2) Total lack of grenade launcher. If I wanted to be stuck with just hand grenades again, I'd play Spec Ops. :p

3) Quite inaccurate, even when firing slowly. It's fine for short or intermediate ranges, but you will NOT be outsniping anybody with it. As a test, get yourself and a buddy on opposing rooftops, one with the G3 and one with the default weapon. G3 will usually lose, simply because it performs so badly at extended ranges.

[VISTREL]

thx...looks like I'll get PKM

[big_sammy_b]

are you calling that person a cheater because he used the 203, or are you saying that he must have been cheating if he used it point blank and didn't die? i use the 203 almost exclusively now - it's a sweet and realistic weapon. if i use it point blank, i die. it often comes down to that - when i'm in close quarters and someone comes around the corner with his gun drawn i don't have time to switch guns, so i might as well fire a grenade and take us both out rather than just giving him a kill. usually i use it medium to long range, however.

grenade launchers exist - just because you get killed by one doesn't mean it's cheating or it's unfair. it's a weapon designed for a different tactic - live with it. look at stats of people who use the 203 - they usually won't have a ridiculous kill/death ratio - i sure don't, and i'm pretty skilled with it.

No i'm saying the fact they go around with the 203 out all the time and use it instead of a gun that they are exploiting the game. Its lame and pathetic.

[Roderick]

Definitely have to disagree about the SAW. It's incredibly inaccurate even when prone, and you simply will NOT hit targets that are at any distance at all. Hell, the muzzle flash even restricts your field of vision. I don't know abount anybody else, but I ALWAYS shoot back at SAW support guys; if I go prone they simply won't hit me at more than 100 feet. I'll bet my M16/AK/M4/almost anything against the SAW any day, and it pays off.

The PKM is another matter entirely. Accurate, powerful, it's a fantastic upgrade. I find that without it, US Support players are at a huge disadvantage.

I have to ask you man, how are you firing this weapon and saying it will not hit targets when I use the SAW and can hit targets just fine as have others on this forum? I honestly find the US SAW to be more accurate, but all the weapons pretty much have a similar reticle stablization point.

Please don't speak for all and speak for yourself that YOU cannot hit targets at a distance with the SAW. I know I can. I may not go 4 for 4 with a long range target, but he will be hit and I do not have to expel my entire clip to do it either.

I am not sitting here and stating that these guns could not use a little improvement, but people here are going overboard as if the Support class just plain does not kill anything. It is humorous to read how overboard people will go when they want their kit buffed.