A message to all you Camp Gibraltar fans!

[WolfAlmighty]

How has the TC not been flamed to death yet (woozie, that's you, right?)?

At any rate, there's a paradox going on here. You like Gib, which is very CQC-oriented, yet hate the fact that everyone uses the AR designed for CQC. I agree that it gets kind of dull dying to the same weapon over and over again, but you've got to figure that when you play the same map all the time you're going to encounter the same strategies, and one of those strategies is which weapon to choose, and in CQC that's going to be the Voss. Assault will always be the most played kit on city maps (or medic, in the case of BF2) because they have the best anti-infantry weapons and they can heal and revive teammates.

With the PK rockets, I'll agree with what someone else said earlier, that they almost negate any cover you may achieve, and that's a bit lame, but oh well. I don't really mind them because they're just part of life on city maps, although I don't think they needed to have an extra one added to the clip because 4 rockets per salvo is colossal overkill.

In any case, if you're frustrated with dying to the Voss, just play a different map. Fewer Vosses on Shuhia (although fewer opportunites for Clarkin', too). Either that or just rationalise Voss kills by not considering them as deaths. :p

~Wolfgang

[Lord Sharpe]

1) Stop crying about the Voss. Learn to kill a Voss user.
2) "ZOMG Voss killed me". So? If you are as 1337 as you claim, then you should get the jump on them with your "superior" Clark or Baur, or whatever self-righteous weapon you use.
3) Voss is a better weapon in that map, for close quarters, than the Baur.It is also better agains bunny-hoppers than the Shotguns.
4) I am killed by Grenades waaay more often than the Voss.
5) Pick up a Voss and hold the LMB down at your target at 20m. I GURANTEE you you will die. Spraying with the Voss is exactly what you DON'T want to do.

[namvet70]

I use the Lambert most of the time and have 4,246 kills with it....

Larry

[[-NM-]-SS-]

Hey guys, I love Camp Gibraltar. It's a nice map, and a good example of a mix of CQC and long range combat. Every gun (except for the SAAW) has a use in Camp G. There is only one thing that amazes me: EVERYONE uses a Voss.
Don't get me wrong, you should use a gun you like. It is just starting to get a tad frustrating thatI only die to the Voss, Krylov and PK rockets. Yesterday I played a game of Camp G. I am a true shotgun whore, and I was going on a rampage. Had a 22 kill streak until I finally died for the first time. To a Voss. I then proceeded to rambo everyone to death with the Clark. When I had a score of 55-8, I was killed for the 9th (how you spell that? Ninth?), suprisingly, by the Voss. I then asked the enemy team (30/32 Voss) "You guys do know that the Voss is not the only weapon right?" No reply. "THE VOSS IS NOT THE BEST GUN!". Someone replied:"IT IS! VOSS OWWNSS U AL!" Voss owns you all.... well, I was the no.1 of the server, with a shotgun. No one was even close to me score wise. My KD/R of 6 was also a lot better then anyone in the server...

I told the guy that I was having a MUCH better score then him. He said:"NO U SUK DIK SHOTGNU IS FORR NUB". I was amazed. Shotgun, noob? I was becoming a little bit frustrated. "You think you got skills uh, kid? Fine then. Grab a shotgun and blast my face off!". He agreed. I moved around a corner, and he was standing with his back towards me. I knifed him. "FAAAAAAG!" I apologized. I ran around another corner. We saw eachother. He fired. Miss. Miss. Miss. All I was doing was running around in circles right next to him. He had to reload. He started dolphin diving and bunnyhopping like a MADMAN. I blasted him out of the sky at 12m in mid flight. He left the server yelling "HACKER".

A Brig General yelled at me for having a Baur and a Shotgun at once. I said that there is an alternative to the overpowered PK rockets. He still didn't understand me! I told him: HERZOG SHOTGUN! He replied: WTF IS A HRZOG??!". .........

What i am trying to say, especially to all the Voss and Krylov users on Camp G... There are actual other weapons then Voss! Seriously! I am not joking! You can get sick scores with a shotgun, or a sniper rifle, even the Baur is a killer in the hands of a pro. People tend to forget about all the other weapons. You guys should try something different then the Voss, defib, and spam rockets, seriously, it works...


Sorry for the wall o' text, but I wanted to make something clear here.

I dont think you are that good -if you were going against skilled players, you would have been wrecked.

And then have the audacity to complain about who uses what weapon to kill you? :laugh:

Feel free to add me if you feel the need to show me how pro you are with the clark on Gibraltar.

IGN: SSoldier

Certainly there're noobs all around, I don't even blame them, I blame dice for making this gun so easy. Yea, soooo easy, scope and hold down your LMB, you'll surely win at least half 1vs1 gunfight. I hate the fact that people think they're so damn pro using voss and krylov. People listen! They take no skills! Stop telling me they do take skills and that you poor lad stop whining. If you do you may as well be one of those vossy krylov nubs.
To all those "pro" who usually gets 35-7 a round using voss and krylov, pick up clark or scar, I promise you won't even kill a piece of **** cuz you don't know how to kill other than hold down LMB.
Edit: i'm so damn proud of being a baur whore. And my clark too.

Whatever makes you sleep at night. I use the bauer from time to time and I do as nearly as well as I would with a Voss/Krylov. In fact, I have better accuracy with the Bauer. One day you might figure out there is a reason each weapon is set the way they are. Sniveling is what ruined any chance for BF2 and you crying about the Voss all the time is no different.

Rock on with your "pro" self.

[RazorThin]

What i am trying to say, especially to all the Voss and Krylov users on Camp G... There are actual other weapons then Voss! Seriously! I am not joking! You can get sick scores with a shotgun, or a sniper rifle, even the Baur is a killer in the hands of a pro. People tend to forget about all the other weapons. You guys should try something different then the Voss, defib, and spam rockets, seriously, it works...


Sorry for the wall o' text, but I wanted to make something clear here.

ASSAULT- close fighting during the culmination of a military attack. If you choose an assault kit that tells me you want to be in the frontlines "in the action" that is where I like to be, so I choose assault kit with the Voss as my weapon.

An Engineer's role is different thus his weapons choices are designed so that he can better accomplish his task. If you choose to use the Clark as your primary weapon in an assault situation then don't be surprised if a majority of your deaths come by way of the Voss!

[Lt.ConVix]

I think that the Vossers actually believe that they are pro's.

they think that caus the voss kills easy so they have alota kills

but bugger all teamwork points caus they dont bother helping the team thinkin that kills get all the points when infact it dont :p

baur is my fav gun to use not blowin smoke up ma own a$£ but it takes skill to use so anyone that can use it affectivly in my books is a skillfull player (even if it is just with a baur)

i like the shotty after the baur i like to get up close and personal :evil: but then again i do like the lambert and the zeler :) o and RDX :|:

[Jessica Simpson]

I was amazed when people didn't even know that a Baur can have a shotgun... that is about the deadliest combo ever o.0 And I get killed acker at least once a day.. the Clark is so underestimated =]

**SHHHHSHSHSHH** don't tell anyone. . .

[Basil.]

Blah. Every gun has its place. Yea so what if people use the voss. If it get nerfed you will only want the next gun that kills you the most nerfed then the next. If i am playing a frontline hardcore medic i want nothing but the voss. i only have a k/d 0.89 i don't really care. my goal is to go and have fun. the voss is a gift from dice for the players that can't put allot of hours in learning guns, its keeps them in the game and having fun.

I look at 2142 for skilled player and unskilled player. the skilled player will shine why the unskilled player gets chance to be in the game and do something besides dies.

I will never care what my kd is. i will use what ever gun i fell like using. if you cant kill me why i got a voss then i feel for yea

[Cann0n-Fodder]

We have to look no further than the LMG phenonemon that people will grab the next easier thing.

LMGs shook like crazy after last patch, APMs nerfed EVERYONE went to using the Ganz. LMGs are not used as much as they were.

You make the voss more inaccurate, EVERYONE will switch to the Krylov or Lambert.

[n00bs4brkfst]

Ya know what's shocking is that the people who can't aim complain about the voss. I mean if you have good enuff aim to aim at the person's head/upper torso then It don't matter what gun u got. I can own ne1 w/ their voss. I'll take the krylov. :)

[SilentB]

I've always liked the lambert and clark, whenever I go with the voss I die alot, my bullets spray everywhere even in bursts and I hardly ever get kills, might just be me but unless you are face to face with the person the voss does require a tad bit of skill.

[WolfAlmighty]

We have to look no further than the LMG phenonemon that people will grab the next easier thing.

LMGs shook like crazy after last patch, APMs nerfed EVERYONE went to using the Ganz. LMGs are not used as much as they were.

You make the voss more inaccurate, EVERYONE will switch to the Krylov or Lambert.

Yeah, they really nerfed the bajeesus out of the LMGs in the last patch. I always thought they were a bit cheap on the outset (not 1.2 PKM cheap, or M60-BF:V cheap, but still cheap), but they went a bit too far on the nerfage with the shaking. Glad to hear they're backing it down again.

Oh, and even though your situation was hypothetical, not everyone can switch to the Krylov unless nobody plays on the EU team.

Ya know what's shocking is that the people who can't aim complain about the voss. I mean if you have good enuff aim to aim at the person's head/upper torso then It don't matter what gun u got. I can own ne1 w/ their voss. I'll take the krylov.

Well in his defense, he's talking about using the Clark, which is notorious for being unpredictable in its pellet spread, so even if you aim perfectly at their head/neck/torso, you won't always get the kill and chances are if you're being fired upon by a decent Vosser, you won't get a second shot. I think the firing rate increase will relegate that a bit, however.

~Wolfgang

[DutchDude]

How has the TC not been flamed to death yet (woozie, that's you, right?)?

At any rate, there's a paradox going on here. You like Gib, which is very CQC-oriented, yet hate the fact that everyone uses the AR designed for CQC. I agree that it gets kind of dull dying to the same weapon over and over again, but you've got to figure that when you play the same map all the time you're going to encounter the same strategies, and one of those strategies is which weapon to choose, and in CQC that's going to be the Voss. Assault will always be the most played kit on city maps (or medic, in the case of BF2) because they have the best anti-infantry weapons and they can heal and revive teammates.

With the PK rockets, I'll agree with what someone else said earlier, that they almost negate any cover you may achieve, and that's a bit lame, but oh well. I don't really mind them because they're just part of life on city maps, although I don't think they needed to have an extra one added to the clip because 4 rockets per salvo is colossal overkill.

In any case, if you're frustrated with dying to the Voss, just play a different map. Fewer Vosses on Shuhia (although fewer opportunites for Clarkin', too). Either that or just rationalise Voss kills by not considering them as deaths. :p

~Wolfgang

Yup I'm Woozie123. I got banned all of a sudden, and I now cannot post anymore topics.... My new name is ADutchDude. Can't post a thing with that account either. And you are right.. I won't get as killed as much with the Voss. But I won't get any clark kills there either. I like Camp G cos I can own people with the shotgun there. For those here that don't believe I cause havock with the shotty: http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=tQfXjdmpB0c
What I wanted to achieve with this topic was that people would use something else then Voss/Krylov. And you know what, it seems to work! I saw more Baurs, Shotties and Ganz's in a UK server then I did before. So I my in game and out game whining are starting to make a difference I guess =]

[Diamond621]

Well in his defense, he's talking about using the Clark, which is notorious for being unpredictable in its pellet spread, so even if you aim perfectly at their head/neck/torso, you won't always get the kill and chances are if you're being fired upon by a decent Vosser, you won't get a second shot. I think the firing rate increase will relegate that a bit, however.

~Wolfgang

If you can't get a second shot off with the Clark, then learn how to move around a little. The shotguns are the only guns in the entire game whose accuracy and spread is completely unaffected by movement - try using unpredictable dives, strafing, jumps, etc. to confuse Voss users in close quarters and you'll have a great deal of success in getting 2 or more shots off.

It works wonders for me with the Herzog.

[Cann0n-Fodder]

Good. Thats what we need to do - work together for a voss free future.