Origin ToS

[Anarchy1]

Re: Origin ToS

No, it's not wrong if you don't care. I don't care. It is wrong if you do care (about Origin only; caring about privacy as a whole is a different story). Considering that the majority of programs on your computer that access the internet in some way do the exact same things and have almost verbatim clauses in their EULA's, freaking out about only Origin doing it is stupid.

[Basil.]

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Do you use Google? If you do i have some bad news for you.

[5t3v0]

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I posted this thread here because I have a feeling if I say something on the escapist thread that I got it from I will be shouted at so hard, and I will possibly start a screaming match for the 3rd time in my internet history, and somehow the moderators will ban me (they ban really easily over there).

But yeah, I had a feeling as such. I wonder if the scanning thing is mainly another layer of hack protection or something? Then again, thats too smart for EA

[CptainCrunch]

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That's exactly my point - privacy has been eradicated step by step until you get to the point where people say what difference does it make, every single action you take is monitored already so why bother trying to retain your rights. I don't know how many times I have to say this before it sinks in for you Crunchy but I do not use steam. Don't need it or want it. I'm not here trumpeting the benefits of Steam over Origin. All these other things you mention are irrelevant. You choose wether or not to use Facebook (I don't). You choose when to make a cellphone call and you know that it isn't secure. My whole point is EA are enforcing the right to advertise on my PC. My PC in my own fucking home - well I say No, Hell No.

Remember that scene in Minority Report where the character is walking through the mall and everywhere he goes banners and holograms pop up offering him products and services. Hey, we notice you haven't washed your hair today - have you tried new Pantene V12 with lemon extracts. Specially formulated for dry/split edges like yours Tom. Never be embarassed about having dull lifeless hair again when in public. Buy now to receive 25% extra free. Have a Nice Day! Doesn't anyone else think that will be just hellish!

If you just wanna bend over and lube up for EA that's you!

Poor Trooper, you sure have a hard time reading forum posts. First Vrekis, then mine. Steam was simply an example of a site that monitors things. You may not have a cell phone, use google anything, facebook, twitter, or whatever, but here you are on this site and you are online.

As I also mentioned in my post about me looking for shoes and all my banners changed to shoe things, kinda like Minority Report, but not awesome.

So you say Hell no. Good for you. And you have a right to say no by not purchasing/installing the products that do these things.

Crunch

[CptainCrunch]

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BlueAngel posted this up, but because it had a link it was hidden for moderation ( more monitoring stuff going on) and I dont want anyone to overlook it:

Been updated according to this thread:

Origin's EULA has been updated...

2.Consent to Collection and Use of Data.

EA knows that you care how information about you is collected, used and
shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and sensibly.
Information about our customers is an important part of our business, and EA
would never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it
ever use spyware or install spyware on users’ machines. We and agents acting
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on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without your
consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or to
enforce EA’s legal rights.

In addition to information that you give EA directly, EA collects nonpersonally
identifiable (or anonymous) information for purposes of improving our
products and services, providing services to you, facilitating the provision of
software updates, dynamically served content and product support as well as
communicating with you. The non-personally identifiable information that EA
collects includes technical and related information that identifies your computer
(including the Internet Protocol Address) and operating system, as well as
information about your Application usage (including but not limited to successful
installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware.
As noted above, this information is gathered periodically for purposes such as
improving our products and services, troubleshooting bugs, and otherwise
enhancing your user experience.
This and all other data provided to EA and/or collected by EA in
connection with your installation and use of this Application is collected, used,
stored and transmitted in accordance with EA’s Privacy Policy located at
www.ea.com. To the extent that anything in this section conflicts or is
inconsistent with the terms of EA’s Privacy Policy, the terms of the Privacy Policy
shall control.

[Lordsethonan]

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That's exactly my point - privacy has been eradicated step by step until you get to the point where people say what difference does it make, every single action you take is monitored already so why bother trying to retain your rights. I don't know how many times I have to say this before it sinks in for you Crunchy but I do not use steam. Don't need it or want it. I'm not here trumpeting the benefits of Steam over Origin. All these other things you mention are irrelevant. You choose wether or not to use Facebook (I don't). You choose when to make a cellphone call and you know that it isn't secure. My whole point is EA are enforcing the right to advertise on my PC. My PC in my own fucking home - well I say No, Hell No.

Remember that scene in Minority Report where the character is walking through the mall and everywhere he goes banners and holograms pop up offering him products and services. Hey, we notice you haven't washed your hair today - have you tried new Pantene V12 with lemon extracts. Specially formulated for dry/split edges like yours Tom. Never be embarassed about having dull lifeless hair again when in public. Buy now to receive 25% extra free. Have a Nice Day! Doesn't anyone else think that will be just hellish!

If you just wanna bend over and lube up for EA that's you!

Yeah except in minority report it was State enforced; it was pretty much tied to your state ID and social security but it was not so much an invasion to privacy as being bombarded 24/7 with ads custom tailored to your "needs" with the side effect that the state could track you everywhere and anywhere they had ads running cos it automatically identified you.

I find it amusing you mention that movie because the protagonist was forced to undergo an illegal surgery procedure to have his eyes replaced, while at the same time committing identity theft!

[ponton]

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As I said in comment to news, updated EULA is no different than previous. Claiming that IP Address is "nonpersonally identifiable (or anonymous) information" is a LIE and this pisses me off the most. Here, where I live we have strict privacy and monopoly law regulations. And this EULA breaks them by forcing me to use Origin.

[Vreki]

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As I said in comment to news, updated EULA is no different than previous. Claiming that IP Address is "nonpersonally identifiable (or anonymous) information" is a LIE and this pisses me off the most. Here, where I live we have strict privacy and monopoly law regulations. And this EULA breaks them by forcing me to use Origin.

And how do you get personable identifiable information from an IP-address?

[*FMJ*Power]

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And how do you get personable identifiable information from an IP-address?

it may not be that specific but you can easily get within a 25 mile radius of someones home address with an IP, any internet savvy detective could go from there and pretty easily locate their "target" but then there would need to be a reason for someone to want to find said person so to that person i would say.....STOP BEING A D-BAG!!!


this kind of thing is the future, or should i say present, of anything PC related and is perfectly warranted, these developers have a right to see how your using their product in order to deliver more of what you love and if you dont want to share that info with them then you simply wont be using their product.

[CptainCrunch]

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That reminds me of those little monster things in people sigs that tell you your IP address and what browser you are using and all that.

Crunch

[Anarchy1]

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And how do you get personable identifiable information from an IP-address?

You can't really. It is possible though to get a relatively accurate location. If I get my IP traced to my "location", it will locate me in a neighborhood about 3 or 4 miles away. That is pretty accurate. But anyone worried about having their IP address known should just get off the internet right now. And they definitely shouldn't be playing any games.

Apart from location, they can identify you through your ISP. But ISPs will likely not do anything unless there is a legal reason to do so, and even then, decent companies will still not do it (like how TimeWarner didn't give out the personal information for anyone caught pirating The Hurt Locker).

[Cinco Hanscom]

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Relax, the TOS in itself is nasty, but I doubt they dare actually do they stuff you fear.
For one thing, there are several nations where I suspect it would be illegal, TOS or no TOS.

I expect EA to come out in a few days and say that it is inteded to allow them to run anti-cheat software like punkbuster etc.

so your argument is to pull out a wildly erroneous supposition? there are no international or national laws regarding the collection of internet usage data. in other words, they are free to do as they please as long as the customer agrees to it, which installing the software and agreeing with the eula surely implies.

advertising firms already analyze people's browsing habits without any kind of eula agreement. so if you think they actually state their intention with this software, they don't intent to do it?

first of all, let me say that i don't give a crap what advertisers try to sell me. i have never purchased a product on whim or at the suggestion of advertisers. when i see an ad or a search term change according to my "needs" i just ignore it and search for what i originally intended to search for. bottomline: none of this affects me and i don't care if it monitors my every move, as long as it doesn't clog up my connection. their algorithems are pretty well optimized these days.

but to say they don't intend to excercise their rights as stated right in the fine print, is the epitome of naivety. their stipulations are specific and detailed...they're literally telling you exactly what they're going to do and how they'll do it. this reminds me of the school of historiography some decades ago that insisted they couldn't have known about the final solutions. well, hitler made his intentions perfectly clear in mein kampf. in both cases, there is hefty amounts of denial.

i also find it funny that in recent times people have become extra paranoid about hidden cameras that follow them into the bathroom and other conspiracy theory stupidity, but when it comes to actual, concrete invasion of privacy such as this, they're just fine with it. it doesn't matter if the state is doing it or some corporation, they have the same effect on society. in fact the latter probabaly has more influence on what people think...unfettered capitalism is good, buy more crappy video games. it's already working.

my theory is that people don't understand how ideology spreads. the state is almost never the catalyst. the media is in a much better position of influencing people's mindsets. the scopes trial was a prime example of how absolutely meaningless supreme court rulings can be in this country. in a democracy with near total freedom of expression, the intelligentsia are constantly subverting the state and changes come from the bottom up. sorry if some europeans living in socialist countries don't understand this.