To all the whiners about how OP choppers are.

[=MNKY=Frosty]

Re: To all the whiners about how OP choppers are.

The guiding system makes no sense. The usual way to use a TOW missile in games is to keep the crosshairs on the target, and then the missile will hit.
Simple enough, and something that most people are familiar with. Then you get the random red square. Again people will assume that keeping the square on the target is the way to get a hit. Especially since DICE once again has given us zero documentation.

But as we can see from the video, in reality you have to ignore both the crosshair and the target indicatior, and instead try to use the mouse as a joystick to control the missile. HTH are we supposed to figure that out?

Also the idea of a guided weapon that moves at the same speed as its target is stupid.

If all you had to do was keep a chopper in the crosshair then the AT4 would be stupidly OP, yea have to lead any target when it comes to Rocket Launchers, even if they are guided. The good thing about Guided Rockets is if you are off by a bit you can make up for it, but if you are off with the RPG or M2, you just gotta go for another shot.

Don't bring the tracer dart into the question, what they did there was so stupid my brain melted when I first tried it.

[MatTheCat]

Re: To all the whiners about how OP choppers are.

Instead of constantly toting a Carl Gustav for easy infantry kills. Try a little practice with an AT4.:thumbsup:

Eh?

Are you serious?

Choppers in this game are total crap! Surely everyone knows this.

By way of comparision, attack choppers in BFBC2 are bigger sitting ducks and less manouverable than Blackhawks were in BF2 (and they really sucked).

[Tampa]

Re: To all the whiners about how OP choppers are.

Sure, your average pub player couldnt take off, let alone fly one correctly. Play against a pilot/gunner combo that uses comms, and knows what they are doing, them come back and comment. The Blackhawks are pretty weak ATM because of their large size and slower speeds, combined with a minigun that isnt really scaring anyone. The only reason you are saying this is most likely because choppers dont have countemeasures against darts. That will change fairly soon my friend.

Edit: you must not have played BF2 before the Blackhawks were nerfed. They were absolute beasts, hence why they were nerfed into nothing but a flying coffin. Anyone that played in the 1st version of BF2 will tell you the Blackhawk was the most OP vehicles in game behind the J10. Blackhawk+Engineers+Mashtuur = GG for you.

[MatTheCat]

Re: To all the whiners about how OP choppers are.

Sure, your average pub player couldnt take off, let alone fly one correctly. Play against a pilot/gunner combo that uses comms, and knows what they are doing, them come back and comment. The Blackhawks are pretty weak ATM because of their large size and slower speeds, combined with a minigun that isnt really scaring anyone. The only reason you are saying this is most likely because coppers dont have countemeasures against darts. That will change fairly soon my friend.

Compared with BF2.....BC2 choppers are 100% n00b. No skill required, only tactical knowledge. In BF2, a good chopper/gunner combo spent an entire round on the very edge of thier seats, even when they go the whole round without dying and racking up 50 kills. In BC2, it is just about knowing the right thing to do, but when you get tagged then your down....end off.

Utter crap really.

[MrChris_CJ]

Re: To all the whiners about how OP choppers are.

you got to remember that the AT4 missile is quite slow, so you have to compensate a lot, especially when firing at a moving target

hitting a heli for example is difficult to begin with but gets easier when you get used to the launcher

besides you can only use the AT4 or the RPG

the CG is for people without souls after all

HA

[Tampa]

Re: To all the whiners about how OP choppers are.

:agree: haha!

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Compared with BF2.....BC2 choppers are 100% n00b. No skill required, only tactical knowledge. In BF2, a good chopper/gunner combo spent an entire round on the very edge of thier seats, even when they go the whole round without dying and racking up 50 kills. In BC2, it is just about knowing the right thing to do, but when you get tagged then your down....end off.

Utter crap really.

I know what you are saying. Once the smoke works after this patch, it will be a different story.

I have to say, look up RaW Clan for Ps3 and tell me they are crap there. They are the sole reason why we had the tracer dart buff in the first place. Mainly check out Instigator_RaW stats for Ps3. I know console are a different story, but thats what will be happening once PC choppers are fixed.

http://bfbcs.com/stats_ps3/Instigator_RaW

[RYKUU]

Re: To all the whiners about how OP choppers are.

Choppers in this game I feel are actually a lot more vulnerable in comparison to other BF games.
Now it doesn't take much to take one down (unlike BF2142 and Bf2). I haven't played the first BFBC game.
Pretty much Tracer dart + chopper = boom

[*FMJ*Power]

Re: To all the whiners about how OP choppers are.

If anything the blackhawk needs it's guns buffed up a bit, i think it's easier to get a kill with the UAV mini gun than the blackhawks and with only 3 map areas including every game mode offering an attack chopper they dont become a factor, especially with the speed of the darts. being able to use countermeasures should help allot. i wonder what genius decided to design a battlefield game where only 1 conquest map has attack choppers, and only 2 of them and none have transports.....

[CptainCrunch]

Re: To all the whiners about how OP choppers are.

the CG is for people without souls after all

HA

NO! They cary their souls on their backs. The Holy Carl BECOMES their soul.

Crunch

[WolfAlmighty]

Re: To all the whiners about how OP choppers are.

Edit: you must not have played BF2 before the Blackhawks were nerfed. They were absolute beasts, hence why they were nerfed into nothing but a flying coffin. Anyone that played in the 1st version of BF2 will tell you the Blackhawk was the most OP vehicles in game behind the J10. Blackhawk+Engineers+Mashtuur = GG for you.

Pilot = Support
Gunners = Medics
3 slots in the back = Engineers

Flying around dropping mines everywhere like little blackhawk turds and repairing whenever any damage was taken. It was a giant point farming machine that could cap a main flag in just a few seconds time. I used to always play 32 player maps and on Songhua when I was Chinese I would take the T98 and just wait on the road near the main for the BHs to come by and then blast them. 6 easy kills. I also remember one time the US had both BHs in the air and they were fully manned, leaving a total of four people on the ground to contend with our team and they were, not surprisingly, easy pickings for all the APCs we had rolling around. The BHs kept flag hopping so eventually our team wised up and put 2-3 APCs on each flag and just waited. We capped them all then finished off the two BHs for the cap out. One of my most memorable BF2 moments. :)

[Tampa]

Re: To all the whiners about how OP choppers are.

i LOL'd at Blackhawk turds!

[Yoster]

Re: To all the whiners about how OP choppers are.

I NEVER see people using AT4, it seems like such a great weapon...

[Vreki]

Re: To all the whiners about how OP choppers are.

If all you had to do was keep a chopper in the crosshair then the AT4 would be stupidly OP.

That is true, and if they balanced it to take out choppers it would most likely be too powerful against tanks.
I would prefer if they left the AT4 alone and gave us a new dedicated AA weapon.

Look at the SAAW from BF2142:
*AA only, so you wouldn't get lit up by every Engineer on the map.
*Requires constant line-of-sight, so pilots can escape by using terrain, but are prevented from dominating the battlefield from safe distance
*Two-shot kill, so pilots have time to react
*Pretty user-friendly.
*Portable, so pilots don't start each round by knocking out the known AA positions
It is designed for a different game with much bigger map and higher ceiling, but the principles behind are sound.

[imported_Kalo]

Re: To all the whiners about how OP choppers are.

I NEVER see people using AT4, it seems like such a great weapon...

It rapes armor, excessively, and without hesitation.

[MrChris_CJ]

Re: To all the whiners about how OP choppers are.

the helis aren't that hard to fly, the skill comes from survivability more than anything, a very low ceiling for flight, paper thin armour

you have to fly for the gunner sure, but a strafing run with the missiles can kill plenty of people, especially juicy grouped up squads

but the CG is still for heathen devils

BF3 should have a veterans program where you get "NOOB" after your name if you have a platinum on the Gustav in BC2