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[Vreki]

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like did you know the M416 and the XM8 have the exact same stats? Yet they don't behave the same way, their maximum spread and cof is the same, but bullets won't follow the same recoil patterns, making them effectively different weapons. Did you know that? No, but did you bother to find out? NO.

Interesting, but could you give an example of the difference in patterns?

Like I said this is a dumbed down kiddy game. As for you with the KDR. Its because you do not have a positive KDR. So obviously you don't play smart. I can get a positive KDR on the ground pretty easy. People who often whine, or ***** have been killed a lot, and generally suck. That is not me. I am certainly not whining. I just want DICE to fix this little game....

I have yet to see someone with a negative K/D. And let us not forget, the only thing keeping your K/D above 1 is you vehicle whoring. So get of your high horse.

[Lordsethonan]

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Vreki, the XM8 has diagonal recoil, the M416 has more of a zigzag. The XM8 is "lighter" in its recoil, it doesn't move around much.

Both guns have the exact same stats tough, so the max deviation is the same; but somehow it feels tighter on the XM8; yet the M4 gives the illusion of killing faster, must be the sound FX, both guns will take between 6 to 10 bullets to kill in real play. I haven't looked at the damage tough; but I think the M4 has more damage per bullet, just less rate of fire; it's enough to make the guns feel completely different.

[WolfAlmighty]

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It plays like all previous battlefields, if you are a battlefield veteran, you are going to have less trouble than a complete battlefield newbie, even if said newbie has played other FPS before; so it DOES have a learning curve;

I have to disagree with this assessment. It plays like previous BFs in the fact that it is an FPS, and that's pretty much where it ends. The mechanics of this game are very different than BF2/BF2142. Bullets are far less lethal and explosives have HUGE radii. In BF2, the noobtube pre-nerf was somewhat annoying because people could jump and shoot it at their feet and survive, but besides that it wasn't that bad. The GL in this game already has a decent kill radius, even before you add in the explosive damage perk. Then there's the Carl-G, which has a radius far and above any other previous BF game (well, maybe the M79 and underbarrel GLs in BF:V - those were pretty brutal), let alone BF2 where it took a direct hit with the AT missile to score a kill. It's funny because I always thought BF2's infantry mechanics were a bit ****ed up, but DICE managed to make BC2's mechanics even worse which is sad to see considering BC2 is almost pure infantry combat already. You'd think since they only had one thing to focus on they would have been able to do it without screwing it up. :hmm:

[aksell08]

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Don't like the game? Stop playing.

[Minmaster]

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Hmm. Idk nerfing might be a bad idea. Is the m60 REALLY that big of deal? Isnt it a powerful gun. I mean, to really kill, a player must stop moving, crouch, then burst fire the weapon to really be good with it. Seems like if all that must be done maybe it should be powerful :/ The weapon isn't good at close range when just holding down the trigger. If someone with a prototype get's up close the medic is dead.

didn't dice say crouching doesn't help?

[jimykx]

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What's wrong with BF2?


Finally theres something I like that is comming out of you.

ROFLMAO guys. and girl. I leave you for 2 days and you just dont wait for me, aah good 20 minutes of getting myself up to date

[[GU]LIZARD]

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First of all, this is nothing like BF2. As I said its a freaking little console port. We all know that. So you get off your high horse. As for vehicle whoring. The only whoring I do is in the chopper. So eat my ***. I very seldom even go for a ****ty tank, why bother. It will just be mortared to death.

As for KDR, a lot of people have negative KDR's at the end of the round. Even the "good" players. However yesterday some guy called =US=SapStick was in a server cheating his *** off with a assault kit. He went 32 and 3, how was he cheating? He was killing everyone from inside the main base from his main base on the conquest map where its all jungle, and water.

So yeah cheaters have good KDR to. I have good KDR because I can survive and kill people pretty easy. So don't sit there and pretend you know or have ever even played with me.

This is a console port, and if you want to sit here and pretend its realistic, balanced, or any of that crap then go ahead, but you are just kidding yourself. Its more of a comedy to even play it. This is why I am enjoying it though, because its just that a joke. Even the way people knife you, and the cursing with the chat filters. Who needs to talk **** your soldier does it for you! Who needs to keep up with ammo? There is none inside the tanks, and who has honestly ran out of ammo? The unlocks give an advantage. I can go up against any low rank guy and kill him, just for the simple fact I've got the high damage bullets unlocked, and the better weapons. This game has little skill, because it doesn't matter how good you aim, its all random. The key is to burst fire everything, short round burst. I can kill someone from across the map with nearly any weapon by just doing that.

The dust is a JOKE. The BLOOM on any of the Russian tanks or vehicles is completely over done. Seriously I have to play in third person to see out the Russian Tanks!

[Vreki]

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First of all, this is nothing like BF2. As I said its a freaking little console port. We all know that. So you get off your high horse. As for vehicle whoring. The only whoring I do is in the chopper. So eat my ***. I very seldom even go for a ****ty tank, why bother. It will just be mortared to death.

Negative means below zero, nobody has a negative KDR

Lets look at a random sample: is this guy a vehicle whore?

Total time played: # Time:1d 6h
Heavy Gold4

* Kills:208
* Roadkills:1
* Distance:33.2km
* Time:5h 9m

Air Platinum

* Kills:556
* Roadkills:0
* Distance:25.3km
* Time: 6h 7m

[[GU]LIZARD]

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Stop defending the game like its the second coming of Christ. You idiots come straight to this damn thread and post how we are all whiners? All you people do is browse the forums waiting to say that because it makes you feel better about yourself... Honestly this happens even if the game was the worst game ever some one idiot would have to come on here and make a post of how everyone else is whining. This happens all the time.

You know just as well as I do this is not a PC game. PC was a second thought. As many people including myself, ran out and bought the pc version. Its a fun game, its better then any game thats come in out in along while, but its not Battlefield, like the old school guys remember it, that includes myself. I own EVERY one of them. I posted a thread on how gay it is that 90% of the servers I join my entire team are snipers off in the bushes some where, as well as the other team, and everyone flamed that I was whining, now theres a thread called sniper cop that has a link that directly addresses what I was saying.

Minus not negative idiot. NEGATIVE means they do not have a 1.00 average KDR. 0.55 is a negative KDR. They died more times they got kills. NEGATIVE, again not MINUS. So yeah a lot of people do not have a very good KDR in this game on the ground.

I know this isn't BF2, but ffs this is unacceptable to release a game with this many bugs, and people have just come to accept it. I just cannot, so I post on here hopeing at least someone can agree about some of the things I said. I really could care less if you think I am a vehicle whore. I do enjoy my helicopter, and I'd be happy to lay down some rape. What separates me from just some idiot whining is, I am actually not dieing to said weapon, or having issues. I am observing it, and doing it myself. I just happen to stand up say "Hey this is not that fun when I can snipe someone with a freaking machine gun better then I could with a sniper rifle."

So again keep posting how you disagree, but at least explain yourself with some better then "quit whining and kill them or find away" its not about away, its about balance, but again DICE are to busy attempting to actually finish the game before they can really start balancing, I mean come the **** on the score board said, "MP_KILLS" honestly... I felt like I was in a freaking BETA, or even an Alpha. How do you release a game and miss something as simple as that.

Server browsers have been around for along time. As many people having serious issue, they couldn't of had to many people playing the Alpha on anything other then LAN computers. I am just saying this makes DICE look once again, HORRIBLE. I was stupid for buying 2142, and I am stupid for buying this, but this is going to have to hold me over till BF3, if they mess up BF3 then I guess I will retire from PC gaming, as many people will begin to do, and allow the console kiddys to take over, because I already paid for AVP which was just inexcusable, and I be damned if I pay for another damn console port where they dumb it down for the little 360 and PS3 retards.

[Scinto]

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*snip*

and allow the console kiddys to take over, because I already paid for AVP which was just inexcusable, and I be damned if I pay for another damn console port where they dumb it down for the little 360 and PS3 retards.

How about you be grateful that you even got to play a Battlefield game on the PC this year? BC2 was primarily for the consoles as a sequal to BC1, Everyone knew that before its release and were given a choice to buy it or not.

Dice looked like they were focusing on the gameplay and they succeded as opposed to all the minor details none of which bother me, TBH I prefer it this way atleast I get to "play" the game now instead of it being delayed and sat here doing something else. I don't recall Dice giving us this many updates to servers or patches for clients on any previous titles.

Stereotyping about consoles is bad and the majority of them are not kids or "retards" as you put it, with comments like that your showing yourself to have no clue about the console community nor its players and perhaps a "kid" yourself.

[Vreki]

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Minus not negative idiot. NEGATIVE means they do not have a 1.00 average KDR. 0.55 is a negative KDR. They died more times they got kills. NEGATIVE, again not MINUS. So yeah a lot of people do not have a very good KDR in this game on the ground.

Being negative or non-negative is a property of a number which is real, or a member of a subset of real numbers such as rational and integer numbers. A negative number is one that is less than zero, such as −{\sqrt{2}}, −1.414, −1. A positive number (e.g., positive real number, positive rational number, positive integer) is one that is greater than zero, such as {\sqrt{2}}, 1.414, 1. Zero itself is neither positive nor negative. The non-negative numbers are the numbers that are not negative (they are positive or zero). The non-positive numbers are the numbers that are not positive (they are negative or zero).

In the context of complex numbers, positive implies real, but for clarity one may say "positive real number".

But don't let me stop you in redefining reality.

[[GCA]Tim270]

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Calling the game a 'kiddy console shooter' carries absolutely no weight when you have a live tag in your profile...

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Don't like the game? Stop playing.

What an enlightening post!

Yeah your right, people should you know, stop complaining about fundamental problems in a game they paid for. Makes sense.

[[GU]LIZARD]

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Dude its how negative is used. Its not a "Positive KDR" if its below 1.00. So if I said the temperature is in the negatives today, yes I'd be talking about minus however many degrees it is.

I am not redefining reality. Just stating exactly whats true. PC games have gone down hill dramatically, if this game would of came out back when PC games were quality, good games then we wouldn't of been bothered with this. The positive reviews from this game are because people whom have been playing MW2 were getting tired of it, and this is something new. So a lot of the MW2 guys are here playing this. Then there is your die hard BF fans as well. However even your die hard bf fans will tell you this is not the same game, just like this is certainly not the same forum it use to be back BF2 first came out. I can remember crowding on a teamspeak server back when GameWizard owned this site awaiting the BF2 Demo with more people then the Teamspeak client was capable of handling. People wouldn't of settled for this back then. Lot of the guys posting hateful things, or telling me to quit whining are new people.

I use to respect DICE, but EA is going to milk this series as long as possible. In case you guys haven't read they are now going to start selling "Longer Demos" so when you might get to play the beginning of a game before it comes out, if you pay. Then when the full game comes out you can pay for that to. EA are all about the money. They and a few other big companys are killing PC Games today. So again I say, pretend this is the greatest game in history, and that its bug free, and that DICE haven't lowered their standards at all.

My Xbox 360 plays DVD's and movies from off my PC. I very seldom actually play a game, and its not a gold account. When it first came out, I did have a gold account, in which I paid for a year of I believe all at once. I mostly play with buddies with two controllers I own a total of probably 4 games. One being the first Bad Company.

[CptainCrunch]

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Yep, thats true. This game is not like BF2 and it wont be. I will also say this right now, BF3 wont be like BF2. Like you said, its all changed. If these games are not to your liking, I doubt the future ones will be either.

Most of the reviews for this game are based on console play. I dont think I have seen a PC review of it.

Personally, if I wanted to keep playing BF2, then I would reinstall and play that. I read over and over and over about how this and that isnt like other BF games. Its not. Someone posted in here how its exactly like Bad Company 1; yeah, its suppose to be.

I am not saying this to be a smart *** or contrite, but if you want BF2, thats what you are going to have to play. This is not BF2. Its a console ported Bad Company 1 remake. Make your arguments to DICE, maybe they will change it some, but I doubt it.

Crunch

[Webs961]

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Puahahahahaha.

But seriously, this thread. Really.

Ok, time for me to go back to seriousland.

First of all, what makes this game a console port exactly? More importantly, how do you define a console port? I don't think any critic out there, fan or professional, has bothered to sit down and answer that seemingly simple question. In the purest sense, I seriously, seriously doubt that the team at DICE completely coded the XBox 360 version then turned around and changed controls for it, thereby creating a PC game. Things generally don't work like that.

Second of all, there will never be a "Second coming of BF2." Ever. I'm sorry, but games don't work like that, unless you just want them to add different weapons on the same engine and throw it back at you. By changing the engine of the game (and more importantly, what the engine is/is not capable of), you're going to fundamentally, and in this case radically, change the way the game is played. There was no real building combat in BF2, unless you consider Iron Gator. With this, you make an entire map like Karkand destructible (and, by the way, I doubt Frostbite could handle a map the size of Kark 64), and you radically change the flow of combat. Map designs have to change to accommodate the destructible environments such that gameplay still usually centers around certain areas. Weapons and hit registration behave differently, so now players must adjust to new weapons and learning how far to lead targets with these weapons.

So, in conclusion, if you're looking for BF2 2, you're going to be sorely disappointed, from now until forever more. With EA and DICE knowing how wildly successful BF2 is/was, do you honestly think they don't want to make a new-age clone of it and ship it out to customers? They'd be foolish not to try. But the point is, they can't release something to the market without some kind of new twist to it. Releasing the same game twice rarely, if ever, goes over well, even if it is on a new engine (I can only think of one counterexample off the top of my head).

EDIT: Oh, by the way, about the negative vs minus thing. Negative's denotation means strictly less than zero. However, someone many a moon ago screwed up and started using negative to mean less than one, and mathematicians rolled over in their graves. So, while it's technically wrong, it's not "wrong," mainly meaning I wouldn'tve corrected it in a TGN article back when I was the L.M. editor here. It's too well understood to mean between having more deaths than kills in the community, despite being incorrect usage, as much as that infuriates the Grammar Nazi inside of me.