handguns

[WolfAlmighty]

Re: handguns

But considering you have to burst fire to hit things with an AR or else most of your bullets will miss and with the M1911 (which, let's be honest, is the pistol that 95% of people are using when they're not using the tracer dart) you can just trigger spam and get the bullets to reg. If an AR takes 8 bullets for a kill but you have to fire them in bursts of two for them to hit and the M1911 can be fired accurately as fast as you can click the trigger and only takes 3 rounds to drop a guy, you can kill someone with it just as fast or faster than with the AR. The AN-94 and M16 may be exceptions to this rule, however, since they are always fired in controlled bursts. Not screaming nerf, mind you, but the M1911 deserves to be looked at IMO. I can count on one hand the amount of times I've been killed by a pistol other than that one, and that should tell you something right there.

[jake_]

Re: handguns

But considering you have to burst fire to hit things with an AR or else most of your bullets will miss and with the M1911 (which, let's be honest, is the pistol that 95% of people are using when they're not using the tracer dart) you can just trigger spam and get the bullets to reg. If an AR takes 8 bullets for a kill but you have to fire them in bursts of two for them to hit and the M1911 can be fired accurately as fast as you can click the trigger and only takes 3 rounds to drop a guy, you can kill someone with it just as fast or faster than with the AR. The AN-94 and M16 may be exceptions to this rule, however, since they are always fired in controlled bursts. Not screaming nerf, mind you, but the M1911 deserves to be looked at IMO. I can count on one hand the amount of times I've been killed by a pistol other than that one, and that should tell you something right there.

This is true, but I find that you only need 2-3 controlled bursts from something like the M416 if they're well placed, although it isn't nearly as easy as M16. Of course, the pistol is only being used at very close ranges. In that case, you usually don't need to use your sights or controlled bursts; every shot is going to hit somewhere on the body, hopefully. :p

Handguns certainly are powerful and very useful for taking down enemies at close range, I'm not denying that to be true, but I don't think the advantage is so much that the M1911 in comparison to other weapons. Some weapons will always be more powerful than others, but I don't think anyone can deny that the M16 and AV-94 are superior.

I use it of course, but only whip it out if I have just run out of ammo and there's still someone standing.

[jimykx]

Re: handguns

it even says the M1 garand,G3 are two head shots to kill and the same as a M1911,talk about a nurfed game,what ever happened to 1 shot head kills

all previous bfs (weaker weapons) didnt had 1 headshot kills, i think only the snipers had

[LunaTiK TunaLiK]

Re: handguns

all previous bfs (weaker weapons) didnt had 1 headshot kills, i think only the snipers had

Wrong. The weapons and damage in previous BF games were stronger. Many weapons were 1 shot kills. For the majority of BF2 all assault/medic weapons were 1 shot head shot kills except the m16 which left like half a bar on single shot and we all know that most people didn't use single shot. There was normally other bullets following that 1st one.

The problem here is not that the pistol is OP but that most other weapons are under powered. The chart is irrelevant due to the fact that it doesn't count for too many other variables that simply can't be put in a chart. The chart implies that people are shooting fully automatic or as quick as possible and never miss. Anyone that has played this game knows that is simply impossible. If you are a very accurate aimer the pistol is much more deadly at assault rifle distances vs assault rifles.

You would have to have Parkinson's Disease during an 9.0 eathquake to be as inaccurate with real weapons on full automatic at the distances these guns are almost useless on full auto.

[Redink]

Re: handguns

But considering you have to burst fire to hit things with an AR or else most of your bullets will miss and with the M1911 (which, let's be honest, is the pistol that 95% of people are using when they're not using the tracer dart) you can just trigger spam and get the bullets to reg. If an AR takes 8 bullets for a kill but you have to fire them in bursts of two for them to hit and the M1911 can be fired accurately as fast as you can click the trigger and only takes 3 rounds to drop a guy, you can kill someone with it just as fast or faster than with the AR. The AN-94 and M16 may be exceptions to this rule, however, since they are always fired in controlled bursts. Not screaming nerf, mind you, but the M1911 deserves to be looked at IMO. I can count on one hand the amount of times I've been killed by a pistol other than that one, and that should tell you something right there.

That is exactly what I am talking about I can control how fast I shoot with the pistol(which is very fast almost as fast as jimmy john) but as for the rifles they have their limited speed. I can easily pull 3 shot kill at close range before they even start there 2nd burst or second hit registration.

[jake_]

Re: handguns

I can easily pull 3 shot kill at close range before they even start there 2nd burst or second hit registration.

I can shenanigans. That's BS and either you know it or you are sorely deceived. I can click a mouse 3 times just as fast with a rifle as with handgun, it makes no difference. Only that a rifle fires more than twice as fast as a pistol and is more accurate.

[Lordsethonan]

Re: handguns

Don't be stupid. They do more damage but look at the rate of fire. It's usually nearly half that of most rifles. They do more damage per bullet, but fire much fewer bullets per second.

Let's do the math, comparing the AN-94 rifle to the M1911 handgun.

AN-94
Normal Body damage at close range: 20
Rounds Per Second (RPM/60)= 10
Damage done in one second: 200

M1911 Handgun
Normal Body damage at close range: 34
Rounds Per Second: 5.83
Damage done in one second: 198.22

Furthermore. You only get 7 rounds with the 1911 and 20 with the AN-94. Every rifle has much greater range than any handgun.

Numbers don't lie.

edit: So unless you can get consistently headshots with a handgun at any range, good luck taking out a whole squad without reloading. On the other hand, I can do that easily with any rifle.

second edit: At long distance the AN-94 has an approximately 16.5% drop in damage value whereas the M1911 has a 26.5% drop.

This; you can unload a full clip from a handgun in someone in less time that an AR tough, but then you have to reload, and the reload animation is almost as long as an AR; you still need 2 bullets to the head to kill anybody at close range, one and a half with magnum ammunition. Look at the way full time pistol whippers play, they never engage head on; want to know why? cos it's suicide against AR and LMG. Let alone RPG fire and noobtubes.

they are very good however, at sneaky attacks, and finishing off people that just came out of a duel.

[Redink]

Re: handguns

I can shenanigans. That's BS and either you know it or you are sorely deceived. I can click a mouse 3 times just as fast with a rifle as with handgun, it makes no difference. Only that a rifle fires more than twice as fast as a pistol and is more accurate.

If that is correct mr house then perhaps you would only need 3 shots from an rifle then? I am sure all the bullet hit but only about 3 are registered. See where I am getting at now?

[idontcare]

Re: handguns

They are useful but not too overpowered, this game is suprisingly very balanced considering how many factors there are to take in account.

[imported_Kalo]

Re: handguns

Rambo : What do you mean "What happened", I've shot people in the head in bf2 and 2142 once and had it not kill them. Please stop this.

[Rambo]

Re: handguns

Rambo : What do you mean "What happened", I've shot people in the head in bf2 and 2142 once and had it not kill them. Please stop this.

errr what?are u sure you hit them in the head?stop what?my opinions?

[Chief82]

Re: handguns

Pfff...for me nothing is too overpowered in this game...I could use all the help I can get :P

[stilla-killa]

Re: handguns

I tend to agree with the people that posted something about sucking at the game.

[Derroth]

Re: handguns

Handguns are fine except for m1911, which should have its rof decreased slightly (to place it between grach and rex). In a rare case that you'd lose a CQC encounter with an AR against a handgun it's likely that the other player has better aim/movement or just got lucky.

[imported_Kalo]

Re: handguns

errr what?are u sure you hit them in the head?stop what?my opinions?

Yes, I am sure. Even tested it in some Scrim matches I used to have.