Voss vs. Scar

[sempf]

Re: Voss vs. Scar

nope, the scar is far better in those situations, at least for me who always tries to get that headshot, and the voss is just not accurate enough for my playing style, and the voss doenst outperform the scar in any other way(dammage per shot is important too, if you miss a lot the total dammage per second for a voss will be less than the total dammage per second for a scar if you hit loads with it)

ps not all tactics are the same(ever tried using crough spam cover fight with a baur, that is suicide...)

[WolfAlmighty]

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But it's not like the Voss is bad at any of those things, either. You're suggesting that someone who uses cover and uses the SCAR will beat someone who runs around out in the open like a tard and uses the Voss. Well no ****. Now take someone who uses the Voss tactically and uses cover, conserves ammo, ducks around the corner to reload, etc. Now you have someone who plays tactically AND has a gun that's more than acceptably accurate at any range other than maybe fog-distance range, has 40 rounds per mag, and does 25% more damage in the same amount of time. You can discuss tactics until you're blue in the face, but tactics can be used no matter what gun you have. I could use the same scenario to show why someone with the Lambert or Malkov will beat someone using the Voss, but it doesn't make either of those things the better gun. The fact is, that aside from a slight accuracy advantage - one that is moot in most circumstances - the Voss outperforms the SCAR in every way.

[sempf]

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well that is for the fact that the voss if far more forgiving than the scar, if you miss a bullet with a scar, it is 1/30 of your clip, and with a voss 1/40 of your clip, also, people go for the larger clip size because of lack of the skill of ammo conserver, and the lack of hiding in cover to reload. also the people dont try to use the scar as they got so dammed used to the voss they dont want(or dare) to switch. the scar has huge advantages at cover fighting(not a small clip size, good dammage per bullet, and good accuracy, also for players who lack of skill they often just fight in the open, so all advantages get lost by the lack of cover, and then they need to spray to survive/ or burst bullets and hope to hit, and then a big clip size comes in very handy.

[DDoubleVVision]

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I still use it though

[WolfAlmighty]

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I agree, wolfy. The rate of fire makes the difference. Whenever I pick up the voss and use it, it just seems too easy. It has more kick than the SCAR, but you can get used to that pretty quickly.

I do think that the SCAR is a little more accurate at distance, but mid-range and up close it doesn't make that much difference.

Just my dos centavos

Exactly. It's one thing to like the gun, but simply the difference in DPS speaks for itself. 290 for the SCAR vs. 375 for the Voss. (For comparision, Krylov is 405 and Baur is 340). The SCAR may be better at really long range, but that's where the advantage ends, and dies a horrible, bloody, bullet-ridden death. :thumbsup:

[DDoubleVVision]

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I agree, wolfy. The rate of fire makes the difference. Whenever I pick up the voss and use it, it just seems too easy. It has more kick than the SCAR, but you can get used to that pretty quickly.

I do think that the SCAR is a little more accurate at distance, but mid-range and up close it doesn't make that much difference.

Just my dos centavos

[WolfAlmighty]

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...Which is exactly why you never see people on the EU side spawning with the Voss.

o wate.

You must be kidding though, right? I mean, I like the SCAR and all, but just comparing the leaderboards of the two weapons should show you something about their demographics. The SCAR, statistically, is used about 1/4 as often as the Voss (and before you say it's because it's faction-specific, it's also used about 1/2 as often as the Krylov). That simply doesn't happen if the gun is indeed better.

[sempf]

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nope a voss cannot beat a scar if the persons are both skilled with the weapons, as the scar is better in stats, more accurate, and even if you shoot headshots with a voss it will be likely to miss more often than with a scar.

Re: Voss vs. Scar

I feel like the Scar is more powerful, but in most situations I rather get the Baur or voss when i play EU. Krylov for Pac, I like to see BG using the SCAR11 its kind a proof of skillz and in my Book give you style points. But imo Scar11 dosent even get close to the voss deadly burst. Wins in single shots but thats about it.

you guys cant denie, Voss is one hell of a AR.

[Wizrdwarts]

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you need to look at it from the standpoint of equal shooting capabilities from point of spawn. i dont know why you really want 1 team to have some weapon that is better than the close equivalent you have on your faction..

Not better, different.Not like M249/RPK-74 different, but Takao/P33 different.

[imported_Field]

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you need to look at it from the standpoint of equal shooting capabilities from point of spawn. i dont know why you really want 1 team to have some weapon that is better than the close equivalent you have on your faction..

[WolfAlmighty]

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Plus, it's kind of fun pinching an OPFOR weapon and using it. I remember in BF:V a lot of people would ditch the M16 to get the AK-47, whereas when I was NVA I would always do it the other way around. Plus, when one team has something fun and unique it gives them more character (and, again, something fun to steal). Again in BF:V, I would always go out of my way to nick a Mossberg 500 when I was NVA, and when US I would try to find someone with the Type-56 SKS, or even the MAT-49, because those were fun guns to use that didn't have a direct equivalent on that given team.

[Wizrdwarts]

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why is that boring? the guns would have the exact same lethality but then still look and sound different. i dont get it. people in clanmod wouldnt always have to be running around picking up krylovs. the krylov does everything the scar does, except a little bit better. the krylov is the reason why people playing as EU use the voss.

Having no weapon variety. I hope Battlefield doesn't go the same way as CoD did letting each army have the exact same loadouts. In all the Battlefield games, (except Heroes), the stock guns have all different.

[DDoubleVVision]

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Personally I like the SCAR, and always use it as EU. I am more accurate with it by about 4% over the krylov for some reason.

If I were to want anything changed, it would be the firing rate. It needs to be increased slightly, maybe from 600 to 750 rpm. Everything else should stay the same.

[imported_Field]

Re: Voss vs. Scar

That would be boring. The slight imbalance between stock weapons is fine. Imbalance is the wrong word actually, the guns are different, and that's not a bad thing. If you want perfectly equal weapons play America's Army where the enemy just has AK-47-skinned M16s.

why is that boring? the guns would have the exact same lethality but then still look and sound different. i dont get it. people in clanmod wouldnt always have to be running around picking up krylovs. the krylov does everything the scar does, except a little bit better. the krylov is the reason why people playing as EU use the voss.