My Pre-release, Far Cry 2 mini review

[=98=]

Re: My Pre-release, Far Cry 2 mini review

I don't care about Yahoo! music customers, i don't care about anything.

People always tell me about these evils, DRM, Punkbuster, SecuROM etc... except, none of them ever effect me. They just work.

I've never had a problem, 95% people don't.

[Dairuka]

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Thats a ***** for sure, but unless it was listed in the terms and conditions that they can terminate usage without consent, a court case would always be succesful and they should be refunded, unless the company goes bankrupt whereas yes, i can see this becoming a problem

But If this securerom stuff becomes big time, im sure legislation will pass so that it will protect the customer, in this country for sure at least

SecuROM is already big time... four leading publishers (Take-Two, THQ, EA, Ubisoft) are planning to, or have already used it's invasive licensing limitation software.

Plus... If you're an American, then look up, The Digital Millennium Copyright Act. You'll then see how wrong you are about expecting Congress to do anything about it.

Dairuka, you shouldn't have bought the game if you were going to complain. It was widely known that it was going to be shipped with SecuROM

I didn't have my epiphany until I was affected. I willfully ignored Vreki's warnings about the DRM because I was so caught up in the sparkle and shine that was Spore.

I was apathetic, and I apologize to every single person who has had to put up with me saying things like, "But you can phone them for more licenses.", or "But SecuROM gives you back an license after you uninstall.".

Oh how wrong I was...

Oh how wrong we all were...

Even scarier is the fact that we'll eventually be forced to pirate a game we paid for when the inevitable moment that a DRM license server is shut down happens.

Don't think it's possible? Tell that to Yahoo! Music customers.

[=98=]

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Dairuka, you shouldn't have bought the game if you were going to complain. It was widely known that it was going to be shipped with SecuROM :p

[MrChris_CJ]

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I swear I read somewhere they had changed it a bit for Far Cry 2, probably wrong though

lol that flamethrower looks beasty, I found the SAW machine gun in one of the safehouse buidlings and its a beast but so far the only guns I have bought are still the MP5+makharov

found the spas12 which was good, then I found a golden Ak47, which is supposed to be a secret gun or something, am waiting for the Barret and M4 to become sellable at an arms dealer, although I have currently exhausted their missions

[Death Merchant]

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Remember when Yahoo! Music decided to shut it's DRM licensing server down just this September?

People who legitimately bought music from them could no longer listen to their music. They haven't been reimbursed either.

Welcome to the gaming of the future.

Thats a ***** for sure, but unless it was listed in the terms and conditions that they can terminate usage without consent, a court case would always be succesful and they should be refunded, unless the company goes bankrupt whereas yes, i can see this becoming a problem

But If this securerom stuff becomes big time, im sure legislation will pass so that it will protect the customer, in this country for sure at least

[Dairuka]

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you might complain about secureROM but there needs to be some way to combat piracy, its causing more and more games to switch over to consoles, and less games being released so anything that can stop piracy i support TBH.

Oi. At least with EA I can say this with confidence:

The DRM is not meant to protect EA from pirates; it's meant to rip off legitimate customers by killing off resale value entirely. Worse yet, it's limitations cost the consumer even more money when those limitations are reached; by way of phoning long distance to a non-toll free number in Texas multiple times to get the problem fixed, or by simply giving up and buying another license that is doomed to expire in the same way.

I fear that if we become apathetic to this; every large publisher is going to adopt it...

And so far... They are!

The compalint Dairuka posted seemed to me to be an issue with the EA support team other than the securerom itself, the rule from what ive read seems to be if you phone and ask for more you will get 3 more licences the problem is if people decide to stop offering this

Remember when Yahoo! Music decided to shut it's DRM licensing server down just this September?

People who legitimately bought music from them could no longer listen to their music. They haven't been reimbursed either.

Welcome to the gaming of the future.

[Death Merchant]

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Healing:

[iQue]

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Well it hasn't stopped piracy really... Go into a random torrent site and you'll find crysis warhead and fc2, no doubt.

[Death Merchant]

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Are there aliens in this game?

No, im really suprised how realistic this game really is its shares nothing in common with the origional far cry or crysis other than the name

uploading more screenshots now

you might complain about secureROM but there needs to be some way to combat piracy, its causing more and more games to switch over to consoles, and less games being released so anything that can stop piracy i support TBH.

The compalint Dairuka posted seemed to me to be an issue with the EA support team other than the securerom itself, the rule from what ive read seems to be if you phone and ask for more you will get 3 more licences the problem is if people decide to stop offering this

[BlueAngel7]

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It's worth a purchase for this alone:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_HmDUsDykdM :laugh:

[imported_Whiskey]

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Are there aliens in this game?

No, thank god. No supernatural stuff in this one (that we know about, anyway). You're a human bad@ss in the middle of a conflict in Africa, dealing with other ruthless human scumbags.

[Dairuka]

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Fact #2: It's not an infinite activation limit. It's not concurrent. It's total.

I don't about Spore, but Crysis is infinite installs on up to 5 PC's.

Yes, but Ubisoft's Far Cry 2 is using the same version of SecuROM as EA's Spore.

I doubt it'll be infinite without a de-activation tool, or a web-based activation system.

Fact #3: You do not get an installation back after un-installing."

I don't know about that.

I can't confirm this with Far Cry 2; but I can with Spore. In fact. I have. It's in the huge quoted post I made. I installed it on two computers; I reformatted two computers; I changed the video cards on both and changed one of the hard-drives on the downstairs computer.

I reinstalled Spore on the downstairs computer and it worked; but when I reinstalled Spore on the upstairs computer; it gave me the error message like the one you see in this screen-shot:



Truth be told, I'm unwilling to confirm it with every SecuROM game. I've already been burned; and once is enough.

Fact #4: Changing any major hardware, or major hardware firmware convinces SecuROM into believing you have a different computer.

I have changed a lot of hardware in my PC lately and done numerous OS reinstalls (mainly to do with new motherboards, general tidy ups and the fact i accidentally installed Vista 32bit instead of 64bit twice :p). I've done about 7 OS reinstalls and changed my motherboard. Each OS install i download and install Crysis Warhead which apparently uses SecuROM.

I've had no problems playing Crysis Warhead again?

The Sims 2: Bon Voyage, and Crysis: Warhead both use a far less invasive version of SecuROM than the one Spore, Far Cry 2, and Mirror's Edge will be using.

Fact #5: Formatting your computer convinces SecuROM into believing you have a different computer.

See above.

See Above.

Fact #7: The last time EA spoke of the de-activation tool, was September 22nd.

Talk to them again.

Trying. Failing to get a response.

I've started petitions on multiple forums just to get them to release the de-activation tool. (Thats what EA calls it.)

At this point; 2 weeks later, I've all but given up trying to get a response.

Right now I'm gathering evidence, and preparing a testimonial for the current two lawsuits against EA's illegal use of SecuROM.

Fact #8: There is still no ETA on the de-activation tool.

No idea what you are on about. Talking about the web based activation system?

EA calls it the De-activation tool.

Fact #9: There are currently 84 reported cases of users running into the same problem I did on the Spore Feedback/Help forums.

That's very low compared to sales :p

First off: The official Sporum has about 25,163 users. That is less than the Total Gaming Network. There are on average 40 people on at any given time. That is also less than the Total Gaming Network.

Second off: Sales have been over-inflated due to including the Nintendo DS version of spore, as well as the Creature Creator.

The latest total sale projection for September has Spore at 406k sales. Thats far less than the 1 million sales+ they were bragging about for September.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/152396/npd_xbox_360_soars_past_ps3_in_september_sales.html

Though PC game sales weren't included in these numbers, Fraizer singled out two for mention: Spore, with sales of 406k units, and Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning, with 274K, "which would put them both in the top 10 list of combined console, portable and PC games sales for the month."

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...s-economy.html

Frazier said that, "although PC games sales are not included in these numbers, there were two that should be pointed out. Spore realized sales of 406K units and Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning sold 274,000, which would put them both in the top 10 list of combined console, portable and PC games sales for the month." While the hardcore community may be up in arms over Spore's DRM, it certainly doesn't seem to be slowing down sales.

[=98=]

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Fact #1: All releases of Spore prior to October 3rd, have 3 activation limits.

True

Fact #2: It's not an infinite activation limit. It's not concurrent. It's total.

I don't about Spore, but Crysis is infinite installs on up to 5 PC's.

Fact #3: You do not get an installation back after un-installing.

I don't know about that.

Fact #4: Changing any major hardware, or major hardware firmware convinces SecuROM into believing you have a different computer.

I have changed a lot of hardware in my PC lately and done numerous OS reinstalls (mainly to do with new motherboards, general tidy ups and the fact i accidentally installed Vista 32bit instead of 64bit twice :p). I've done about 7 OS reinstalls and changed my motherboard. Each OS install i download and install Crysis Warhead which apparently uses SecuROM.

I've had no problems playing Crysis Warhead again?

Fact #6: Trying to use spore after you've used up your 3/5 installation limits, convinces SecuROM that you're trying to license another computer. So if you use spore 6 times after you've hit your limit; EA thinks you've tried to install it on 9 computers.

See above.

Fact #7: The last time EA spoke of the de-activation tool, was September 22nd.

Talk to them again.

Fact #8: There is still no ETA on the de-activation tool.

No idea what you are on about. Talking about the web based activation system?

Fact #9: There are currently 84 reported cases of users running into the same problem I did on the Spore Feedback/Help forums.

That's very low compared to sales :p

[MrChris_CJ]

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this game does not use the CryEngine 2, it uses the Dunia engine, about the only thing it has in common with Crytek is that the Dunia engine uses about 2-3% of the code from the original CryEngine (used in Far Cry 1)

the game doesn't look as good as Crysis but it still looks brilliant

I didn't like the MP much myself, Crysis Wars is way more fun imo

[Dairuka]

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That's good. But how in hell did you manage to reach the infinite activation limit on 5 computers?

Anyway, EA is working on a new web based system that lets' you request activation codes. I agree, they should not limit what we do, but it's not as bad as people say.

Fact #1: All CD version releases of Spore prior to October 3rd, have 3 activation limits. Any copy made after October 3rd will have 5.

Fact #2: It's not an infinite activation limit. It's not concurrent. It's total.

Fact #3: You do not get an installation back after un-installing.

Fact #4: Changing any major hardware, or major hardware firmware convinces SecuROM into believing you have a different computer.

Fact #5: Formatting your computer convinces SecuROM into believing you have a different computer.

Fact #6: Trying to use spore after you've used up your 3/5 installation limits, convinces SecuROM that you're trying to license another computer. So if you use spore 6 times after you've hit your limit; EA thinks you've tried to install it on 9 computers.

Fact #7: The last time EA spoke of the de-activation tool, was September 22nd.

Fact #8: There is still no ETA on the de-activation tool.

Fact #9: There are currently 84 reported cases of users running into the same problem I did on the Spore Feedback/Help forums.

Fact #10: It is NOT easy to gain extra activations. This is EA we're talking about. I proved that with my quote.

Fact #11: If they flag your account, you're screwed. They'll force you to buy a new registration key, or force you to invoke your warranty.