Which BF2 Statistic is Most Important to You? K/D Ratio? Accuracy? etc

[ElFipso]

Re: Which BF2 Statistic is Most Important to You? K/D Ratio? Accuracy? etc

K/D is the most important stat for me.
But it doesn't indicate the skill level of a player.
You can only measure the skill of a player when looking on all the stats and see him/her play.
Off course ppl that play only sniper get quite a good k/d. same for ppl that are pretty good in vehicles. even the commander get's a good k/d when he arties ppl. <- yes these kills count for your stats/awards even though you don't see the in the round.
I really suck being a fighting engineer, but I got a positive k/d because I mostly command being engineer.

W/L ratio is not important for me - it takes a whole team to win the round, if the team sucks you will loose, but still get a good k/d.

FipZ

[#1 LoGoS.^CyN.TV*]

Re: Which BF2 Statistic is Most Important to You? K/D Ratio? Accuracy? etc

Chopper K/D

I could care less if my team wins as a rule of thumb. If I get the chopper we're probably going to, but if we don't, I don't mind. haha

[imported_Kilo]

Re: Which BF2 Statistic is Most Important to You? K/D Ratio? Accuracy? etc

K/D Ratio and what kits do they usually play and vehicles they use.

[Mo0by]

Re: Which BF2 Statistic is Most Important to You? K/D Ratio? Accuracy? etc

Score at the end of the round, you have to be pretty good to be up there imo, even if you are spamming nades. Ofcourse by end of the round score I also mean you kd ratio.

[FMERCURY]

Re: Which BF2 Statistic is Most Important to You? K/D Ratio? Accuracy? etc

The measure of your skill is K/D ratio times Score per minute.

It's painfully easy to get a good K/D if all you do is camp. It's painfully easy to get a good SPM if all you do is grenade spam and whore the PKM. What's hard to do is get lots of points quickly and do it without dying very much. KDR*SPM is a measure of this.

For me? Not that great.

(2.207)*(2.926)=6.54

[Lazza66]

Re: Which BF2 Statistic is Most Important to You? K/D Ratio? Accuracy? etc

K/D Ratio
Accuracy
Kill Streak
Kills/Minute
Win/Loss Ratio

Win loss ratio is the ONLY thing that matters. You can have high accuracy from holding back and camping. You can have a poor kdr from being the one always looking for the fights and capping flags. Kill streaks just means you were the best pilot (or whatever) that round, big deal, there's always someone better.

Win loss ratio shows how a player contributes to the win, not just their stats. But even with wlr team swapping can poison the stats.

These are meaningless...

Global Score/Minute
Teamscore/Minute
Awards/Minute
Highest Score
Other

[ichangedmyname]

Re: Which BF2 Statistic is Most Important to You? K/D Ratio? Accuracy? etc

Kills/Minute.

K/D is easy to manipulate, Kills/Minute not so much.

Cheers

[Lazza66]

Re: Which BF2 Statistic is Most Important to You? K/D Ratio? Accuracy? etc

The measure of your skill is K/D ratio times Score per minute.

It's painfully easy to get a good K/D if all you do is camp. It's painfully easy to get a good SPM if all you do is grenade spam and whore the PKM. What's hard to do is get lots of points quickly and do it without dying very much. KDR*SPM is a measure of this.

For me? Not that great.

(2.207)*(2.926)=6.54

Now here's a clever man! Only problem is it's too easy to boost spm meaninglessly. E.g. reviving no hoper snipers who aren't even of any real benefit to the team, spamming ammo bags all over the place even though the ammo is never used, running a flag capping circuit as the flags are re-capped behind you with no ticket bleed benefit.

See the problem is the stats can't tell what you did to earn those points. Did you cap back flags getting the odd kill that means nothing and didn't really benefit the team. Or did you go Rambo, take a few deaths, but successfully cap and hold the enemy main denying them their aircraft for the whole round? Using your formula the coward who didn't really help the team would come out best.

You're closer than anyone else here IMO, but there are still problems.

There are other spanners in the works too, like FF off. I was comparing myself to the other top engys tonight, and just as I thought how much better than me they are I noticed they only ever play FF off servers. Their stats shouldn't even be in the same database as mine IMO.

[ichangedmyname]

Re: Which BF2 Statistic is Most Important to You? K/D Ratio? Accuracy? etc

Lazza. Spamming ammo bags that nobody uses wouldn't get you points, not sure how that boosts your SPM.

Running a flag-cap circuit is wicked useful, keeps the bleed away from your team and occupies the enemy so everybody else can take the important flags.

As far as the back flags/versus rambo the main... The back flags usually are the main to start. However, lets assume they aren't. If you have a guy who sneaks by and caps the back flags getting an odd kill or two, how does that give him a high SPM/K-D (maybe high KD, if you count 2-0 as high). Ramboing the main would give you the easy high SPM/K-D with lots of enemies to kill and team mates to spam with ****.

It is like your saying the guy who rambos Hotel on Karkand is more of a team player than the guy who sneaks past and caps Factory... wtf?!!?

Cheers

[Kodakk]

Re: Which BF2 Statistic is Most Important to You? K/D Ratio? Accuracy? etc

I'd have to say accuracy. You can play enough hours and get a ton of kills, but accuracy really shows how effective you are on the battlefield.

[ichangedmyname]

Re: Which BF2 Statistic is Most Important to You? K/D Ratio? Accuracy? etc

I'd have to say accuracy. You can play enough hours and get a ton of kills, but accuracy really shows how effective you are on the battlefield.

ORLY? I can shoot 1,000 people with one pistol bullet over 100 hours. I miss one shot. My accuracy is 99.99% and I have no kills, how effective was I on the battlefield.

Now that is extreme, but seriously- accuracy means very little depending on kit/play style/vehicles/map, etc...

Cheers

[Kodakk]

Re: Which BF2 Statistic is Most Important to You? K/D Ratio? Accuracy? etc

Well, I'm a sniper so I guess I'm biased. My general logic is that if you decide to open fire on a target you intend to finish the job - you don't fire at somebody running around a corner where they can heal themselves.

[Lazza66]

Re: Which BF2 Statistic is Most Important to You? K/D Ratio? Accuracy? etc

Lazza. Spamming ammo bags that nobody uses wouldn't get you points, not sure how that boosts your SPM.

I'm referring to wading through ammo and medkit bags on IO. Dying with full ammo is no benefit to the team. You get points for ammo that is never used.

Running a flag-cap circuit is wicked useful, keeps the bleed away from your team and occupies the enemy so everybody else can take the important flags.

Like I said there are times when it's not. Especially when you don't put the bleed on, or there is a more important fight elsewhere.

As far as the back flags/versus rambo the main... The back flags usually are the main to start. However, lets assume they aren't. If you have a guy who sneaks by and caps the back flags getting an odd kill or two, how does that give him a high SPM/K-D (maybe high KD, if you count 2-0 as high). Ramboing the main would give you the easy high SPM/K-D with lots of enemies to kill and team mates to spam with ****.

Maybe, maybe not.

It is like your saying the guy who rambos Hotel on Karkand is more of a team player than the guy who sneaks past and caps Factory... wtf?!!?

No. I'm saying the guy who Rambos Intake on Kubra is going harder and doing something more worthwhile than the guy running a pointless capping circuit of supervisor base etc.

Cheers[/QUOTE]

The only thing you can use your stats for is improving yourself. I did statistical methods at Uni and I considered making a linear regression equation that could factor in all the variables and spit out a number, the higher the better.

But the equation's result would be unreliable for these reasons.

1. The stats don't say if IO was on or off.
2. Destroying a friendly damaged vehicle (to make it respawn) counts as a missed shot decreasing accuracy.
3. The stats don't account for whether or not your team lost the round or by how much (doing well on a team that's getting owned is harder).
4. The skill level of the opposition.
5. The stats don't account for team numbers stack (e.g. 6 vs. 8).
6. The stats don't account for FF on or off.
7. The stats don't filter your kills by vehicle and kit (e.g. flying as sniper the kills wrongly go to your sniper stats.
8. Padding.
9. The skill level of your commander.
10. Whether or not you were squad leader (should affect play style).
11. Suppressive fire and distraction shots are counted as misses, decreasing accuracy.
12. Stats don't account for different value of flags that are capped.
13. Whether or not you had a commander.
14. The amount of spotting you do.
15. Forced tk's.

I'll stop there, although the list could be very much longer. You must get the point. There are too many of what they call "confounding variables" in statistics to make a linear regression equation that could actually calculate a meaningful number to compare players.

[WolfAlmighty]

Re: Which BF2 Statistic is Most Important to You? K/D Ratio? Accuracy? etc

Damn Lazza, well said mate. I've always maintained that stats are useful for personal self-evaluation only because on a free-for-all pub server there's no control in the environment. It'd be like if you let Kobe Bryant play for a junior high school team and any points he scored there would count on his NBA record. Now is it harder getting points against a junior high center, or against Yao Ming? Now if ranks and stats were only calculated through ranked and sanctioned tournaments against equally-skilled players they might mean something but all they're good for now is just for fun. That's why you can't numerically represent someone's 'skill', as Lazza demonstrated, based on their stats page. Which is why I've always found it amusing when people brag about their stats or berate others for their stats.

~Wolfgang

[Sloi sauce]

Re: Which BF2 Statistic is Most Important to You? K/D Ratio? Accuracy? etc

I always calculated "skill" by dividing the number of kills made with the time spent in action, with the KDR being a "co-witness" of sorts to have a more detailed picture.

For example, if you wanted to check your helicopter skill, you could do so independently of everything else because the statistics keep track of your airborne time along with chopper kills.

Of course, the score categories and ratings are different for pilots, gunners and those who play a good mix of both. I wrote a fairly elaborate explanation of this system in my personal notes, but it's on a dvd somewhere and I don't have the patience to find it.

Trust me, it was a fairly good tool to assess skill/performance in a simple way without direct player observation.